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Katie: Hello and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m right here right this moment with my good friend Maggie Berghoff to speak about know in case you have irritation and decrease your poisonous burden. And Maggie is an professional on this each from her analysis and from her private expertise. She had a reasonably unbelievable journey with autoimmunity as nicely and being advised that she was going to be on some fairly extreme medicines her entire life. She was additionally a nurse practitioner on the time and like many people she actually form of received to her wits finish and determined to search out therapeutic on her personal. And this led her to an entire profession change and now serving to 1000’s of individuals as nicely.
And so we go deep on this entire course of right this moment, know what’s happening in your physique, get the proper labs, begin therapeutic and be your individual main healthcare supplier. And Maggie is such an professional on this. We discuss diet and way of life and labs and different components that you just may not even know to contemplate. She’s undoubtedly a wealth of information and let’s leap in and be taught from Maggie. Maggie, welcome again. Thanks for being right here once more.
Maggie: I’m so excited to be right here and to share along with your viewers.
Katie: It’s at all times so, so enjoyable to have a dialog with you. And I do know that you just’ve been on earlier than. I’ll in fact hyperlink to your different episode within the present notes. But for anyone who is perhaps a brand new listener or as context for the dialog we’re gonna have right this moment, I might love so that you can inform a little bit little bit of your story, particularly just like the autoimmune and irritation hyperlink, as a result of I’ve talked about how I used to have a prognosis of Hashimoto’s and I not do and I don’t take remedy. And I imagine from understanding your story, you additionally had a reasonably scary prognosis that you just not have. And I believe there’s a lot hope and energy and tales. So I might love to start out there.
Maggie: Yeah, I imply, it’s extremely necessary as a result of once I had my prognosis, all of my docs mentioned that I might have that eternally and I don’t. So I believe it’s necessary for the listeners to know that. When I used to be going via my well being journey, I had loads of totally different signs. My signs had been migraines, excessive fatigue, bloating it doesn’t matter what. I may eat just like the healthiest steamed broccoli bowl and I nonetheless could be bloated. I additionally was dizzy. My hair was thinning, I used to be gaining weight. So I had loads of signs and the docs advised me at first that nothing was mistaken with me as a result of my labs really seemed regular.
So I went to the physician and I used to be like, I’m falling aside. I really feel horrible. What is happening? And all of my labs really confirmed utterly regular at the moment. And so the docs would simply inform me, you’re superb. And I’m like bawling my eyes out, telling them, I’m not superb. But it was simply form of too quickly for the normal lab work to search out out what was happening in my physique. But over time, for the reason that docs form of ignored my plea for assist, over time, my physique continued to worsen and worse and worse. And all through that subsequent yr, it ended up really, I had a mini stroke once I was 24 years previous. And that’s when all my labs confirmed abnormalities, together with PCOS, extreme hypothyroidism, extreme immunodeficiency. Like I had no immune system. It really additionally was displaying for kidney failure of unknown causes. They identified me with POTS, so POTS. And that was the reason for the dizziness and issues like that. So I ended up with loads of issues that the docs advised me that I might have for my whole remainder of my life.
Katie: Yeah, I hear so many similarities in our story as a result of such as you, in fact, with Hashimoto, as I used to be advised, it could be lifelong. And I might guess many individuals listening both can relate to the expertise of that sort of prognosis or the expertise of going to many docs, asking questions and never getting good solutions. And I do know for each of us, there got here form of a turning level the place we realized, and I say this on a regular basis on right here, that on the finish of the day, we’re our personal main healthcare suppliers. And if the docs can’t repair us, which actually they will’t, we’ve to make the adjustments that we’ve to take the possession for that.
I additionally love that you just introduced up signs as a result of I believe in your ebook, you powerfully reframe this so far as like ensuring that folks perceive they’re not fastened. They can change. And additionally simply reframing how we consider them as kind of messages from the physique that point out that the physique really needs to heal. And I believe that’s a degree at all times price repeating anytime the chance presents itself is the physique’s pure state is to be in considerable, lovely well being. It needs to heal, which is superior as a result of which means if we’ve signs, it’s making an attempt to inform us one thing that it both wants that it doesn’t have or that it must get out that it does have. And I do know within the ebook you speak rather a lot about this, just like the poisonous burden. Can you clarify what that’s and a number of the sources we encounter for that?
Maggie: Yeah, so I speak in regards to the whole poisonous burden and I even have an evaluation within the ebook that you may take and assess your whole poisonous burden. And then we wish to scale back this quantity. This quantity means… What your present publicity to toxicities are, after which mix that along with your present well being historical past, your previous well being historical past, mixed with that, it form of reveals how vulnerable you might be to your nagging signs to show into full-blown illness. And we wish to keep away from that, proper?
So we wish to get your whole poisonous burden ranges down in order that your physique can heal. Like you mentioned, it needs to heal. I actually imagine that too. And I really imagine the physique is far more highly effective than any physician on this planet, like approach, approach smarter. So if you happen to give your physique much less poisonous burden, much less irritation. And extra of what it wants to really be nourished and heal, it’s going to do its factor. It’s going to rebalance these hormones. It’s going to heal that intestine. It’s going to assist, you already know, you to mitigate your migraines or no matter it’s for you. And so we simply must lower that degree. And our total poisonous publicity.
But it doesn’t must be overwhelming. I really like, you already know, you possibly can go about this very dramatic like I did once I came upon this data, which is de facto cool in full circle, as a result of a few of it got here from you, Katie, is like when I discovered this out and in regards to the toxicities in our plastics and the various things that we’re utilizing, I used to be like, oh my God, I’m achieved. And I like threw away every thing and I received all these stuff and it was like an entire instant change. But I’ve loads of shoppers and even. You know, shut family and friends who take this step-by-step and so they change even only one little factor of their life. And that one little factor quickly will add as much as two issues, which quickly provides as much as three. And even one yr down the highway, you might be in such a greater place for therapeutic than you might be if you began. So wherever you might be doesn’t must be overwhelming. It may be actually chunk sized little implementation issues that you just do.
Katie: I really like that as a result of I do know for many individuals, particularly with any sort of auto immunity that results in fatigue, it could really feel overwhelming, the thought of making an attempt to change every thing in a single day. And the excellent news is, and also you defined this so nicely, is you don’t have to do this to heal. Even these child steps compound so nicely.
And I really like any time, whether or not it’s in enterprise or in life or something the place you possibly can benefit from the regulation of compounding, as a result of similar to you defined, like these little issues add up over time. They additionally little tiny adjustments can really compound in a optimistic course. And it looks like that is usually, no less than for me, a really nonlinear course of the place it could seem to be you’re making these little adjustments and perhaps nothing occurs for a short time. And then rapidly, when you cross that threshold and the physique’s in a greater place, it’s like you possibly can see dramatic shifts very, very quickly, which is extremely encouraging, I might guess, to lots of people.
Maggie: Yes. And two issues on that’s, sure, it takes time, however when you get previous that threshold and your physique begins to rebalance, then your signs could begin to go away and also you begin to heal. You know, I imply, I really feel such as you’re not making progress for eight months, however then on that 9 months, Oh my gosh, in a single day, you are feeling superb. And then the opposite factor that I wish to say about that’s that as you make these little adjustments and your physique turns into more healthy, I promise you, it turns into simpler to proceed to make extra wholesome decisions as a result of now your neurotransmitters are balanced. Your hormones are extra balanced. You really feel extra energetic. You really feel happier and it’s, it’s simply you’re at a distinct state in your life. And so it turns into simpler and extra fascinating to decide on extra wholesome choices and proceed on that path.
But if you, if you happen to’re struggling proper now, trigger I’ve been there achieved that and you might be like within the tank on E, you possibly can hardly get via your days. I used to name this like a meals hangover. Sometimes I might eat a meals and I’d really feel hung over for days. If you might be in that second, it in all probability does really feel daunting, however I promise that as you make these little steps, your, you, it adjustments every thing. Instead of continuous down that downward spiral of sicker and sicker and, you already know, worse and worse, you begin to go on that upward spiral. And similar to a downward spiral can go actually quick to the dumps, upward can go actually quick to, to feeling superb. Really, in case you have the proper instruments, this may very well be six months down the highway the place you are feeling like a distinct human. And that’s so quick, that goes so quick.
Katie: Yes, completely. And I consider the parallels with a number of years in the past, I began being far more in line with power coaching within the fitness center. And it felt like for the primary yr, like I used to be getting stronger in my lifts, however I didn’t really feel like my physique was altering visually that a lot. And then there got here a degree the place rapidly I seemed like I seen I had all this muscle that I didn’t have earlier than, however it was like all that foundational work. And then it nearly like occurred in a single day. And now the identical lifts are a lot simpler and I can keep that with a lot much less work.
And the identical appears true with this side of well being is that as you go in that optimistic course, finally, I do know you’ve had this expertise as nicely, you don’t must be restricted for the long run in such an excessive approach. You don’t must put a lot effort as a result of A, this stuff turn into built-in habits in your life. And B, as your physique heals, you’re capable of tolerate the occasional decisions that you just wish to make with out all these damaging results.
Maggie: Yes, you construct resilience. And so your, your mindset is modified as a result of you’ve these new habits. So it’s simpler. It’s not like a call it’s important to make daily otherwise you’re studying labels on a regular basis, as a result of you already know, now you’ve the information after which your physique really builds resilience and your immune system is a lot stronger. So if you happen to do have issues, um, you already know, say you might be tailgating a soccer recreation and also you’re consuming the barbecue and you’ve got a beer, it’s not the identical affect to your physique. You’re not going to have the identical damaging affect that you just as soon as had presently. So if you may get over that threshold, it turns into a lot simpler to take care of and actually get pleasure from your life to the fullest. While simply having a distinct set of habits.
Katie: Yeah, I really like that. I believe that brings a lot hope. And I do know having been there as nicely like you’ve, it could appear so troublesome if you’re in that part. But to know that there’s a lightweight on the finish of the tunnel and that that shift’s going to occur, I really feel like makes it far more sustainable to keep it up within the brief time period till it turns into built-in and turns into a simple behavior. And to circle again, I do know many individuals listening have additionally had the identical expertise we did the place they weren’t capable of get solutions from a health care provider. And I really like that we stay now in a time the place entry to our personal well being data is extra accessible than it ever has been, whether or not it via operating labs on our personal. I do know there’s now methods you possibly can even get labs even if you happen to don’t have a neighborhood physician. We have wearable information. There’s a lot that we will monitor and a lot data that we will get, which typically does really feel overwhelming as nicely. But you discuss this within the ebook, too. What labs do you suggest as a place to begin, particularly if somebody hasn’t been capable of get solutions via typical medication however has the power to run their very own labs and begin form of digging in themselves?
Maggie: Yeah, it’s so cool and so enjoyable as a result of once I was going via my well being journey, I used to be so upset and disillusioned by all these physician after physician after physician appointments and leaving with no solutions. So the cool factor is, such as you mentioned, you’ll find out the solutions your self now. So in case you are annoyed in that mannequin and also you’re not getting the enable you to want, assist your self. And some labs that I believe are important for everyone could be a stool examination. I do know that that’s tremendous necessary for myself, for lots of our shoppers. A stool examination will present you in case you have a parasite, in case you have bacterial overgrowth, what it’s possible you’ll must do. Are you consuming the correct quantity of vitamins, however your physique’s not absorbing them? Or perhaps it’s not breaking it down. And the labs will really additionally enable you to to assessment your data. They’ll really offer you a PDF of your outcomes and form of assist information you in that proper course. They don’t know every thing happening in your life, in fact. So it’s not 100% customized, however it’s very useful.
Another take a look at that I might do is a micronutrient take a look at. So simply determining all of your nutrient ranges, If your vitamins are within the tank, and I’m speaking like magnesium and D’s, B’s, all that form of stuff, in case your nutrient ranges are within the tank, that’s what your physique must stay. Like that’s what your physique must operate. And so you might be gonna really feel crappy and it’s gonna be more durable to heal. But if you already know what you’re poor in and you may help your physique, whether or not that be via meals or supplementations to spice up these issues, that’s a simple step that you may take that can enable your physique to begin to do what it’s speculated to do. You don’t have to fret about, you already know, all of the complexities of therapeutic the physique. You simply have to offer it the proper vitamins. And so you’ll find that out about your self.
And then a 3rd take a look at that I believe is, it was essential in my therapeutic journey. And I believe that it relies on your character of if that is useful or not. But for me, a meals intolerance take a look at was very useful. And there are some available on the market that I believe usually are not very correct and never superb, however there are a pair which might be extra of an funding that I do suppose that they do job testing this. And for me, it was simply useful to know like, okay, listed below are the issues which may, even when it’s not dangerous, excellent. Here are the issues that is perhaps inflicting me extra irritation. I’m simply gonna take that out as a result of I’m already like combating this upward battle, proper? Trying to struggle irritation. If I do know that maybe celery is inflicting my physique grief, I’m simply gonna not eat celery proper now. And in order that was actually useful to me, for me to see a black and white guideline of maybe the meals that aren’t nourishing to me, although they’re, you already know, regarded as wholesome. They are inflicting irritation in my physique. And that was actually useful to see for myself.
Katie: Yeah, I believe that speaks to a different lovely factor occurring with this entry to our personal well being information is knowing that there’s basically no universally wholesome meals or universally damaging meals, though I might put issues like vegetable oils and sugar within the class of by no means needed. But realizing there’s such a personalization side to this and an individualized side to this. And I’ve mentioned earlier than, that’s the place the actual energy lies for all of us is find out our personal solutions as a result of there’s so many individuals we will be taught from. And I really like that the Internet has made that accessible.
And additionally, when somebody, even talking as myself, has came upon what labored for me, that’s what labored for me. And that blueprint immediately isn’t going to work the identical for one more particular person. But the framework of understanding how I received to that time may be actually useful. And so I really feel like that’s how your strategy works is you’re taking folks via the framework to search out their precise customized solutions versus like a cookie cutter. Eat this, not this. But no, discover out what works for you and construct from there.
And a few stuff you touched on additionally jogged my memory, it looks like nearly at all times, if not at all times, there’s some kind of intestine connection anytime we’re speaking about irritation. But I might love so that you can break this down for us, as a result of I believe usually when we’ve a pores and skin situation, as an illustration, or a hormone situation, our first thought isn’t essentially like, oh, I would like to take a look at my intestine well being. But usually this looks like a thread that’s woven via every thing.
Maggie: Yeah, it’s all linked. And so, you already know, your bloating may additionally be the trigger to your hypothyroidism. Like it is perhaps linked that that’s the explanation, or nervousness and melancholy. We know loads of the neurotransmitters that contribute to these feelings and people moods. Are made within the intestine lining. And so after we deal with an total physique therapeutic system, we’re not gonna simply goal one factor. The intestine really has been seen to be a really, I assume like the largest bang to your buck. You heal your intestine, you’re in all probability gonna heal loads of different issues that you just’re combating.
And so even if you happen to’re not having intestine associated signs proper now, like constipation, bloating, diarrhea, and many others, it is perhaps an space that if you happen to deal with that, if you happen to do a stool examination and you discover out, oh, I’ve some abnormalities right here, it is perhaps attainable by fixing these, you’re gonna repair 5 different issues that you’ve. So it’s simply a good way to assist to rebalance your physique and to deal with, like I mentioned, form of like the largest factor to your buck, you heal your intestine, you’re gonna heal the opposite issues too. And it’s not at all times the alternative if you happen to deal with maybe therapeutic your hormones solely, and that’s your large goal is, I’ve hormonal issues, so I’m gonna heal my hormones. If you solely deal with that, you really may not get the solutions you’re in search of.
But if you happen to focus in your intestine well being, it’s possible you’ll. Because you’re form of focusing at that root trigger complication. Now, I imagine it’s not one or the opposite. I imagine it’s every thing. Because I personally wrestle, I advised you, with hormonal issues. This was again once I was a kiddo, earlier than I had the massive signs. I by no means even had a interval rising up. I used to be like a teen and I by no means had a cycle. The first time I really had cycles was once I went on contraception. So clearly one thing was tousled previous to my physique and having all these problems that I knew of. And so look, it’s a long-term factor.
But if I had solely healed my intestine due to the bloating. I may not get to the identical solutions as a result of I had such hormonal dysregulation that I used to be anxious, I used to be craving carbs and sugars on a regular basis so I wished to binge eat, however then I additionally wished to be match so then I would really like yo-yo and limit. It was horrible. But by concurrently taking a look at my labs and taking a look at what’s happening in my life and prioritizing sure issues, lowering irritation, lowering toxicities, therapeutic my mindset round every thing, you already know, lessening my stress and focusing on hormones and intestine well being, it simply comes collectively to this lovely state of well being. And so, sure, deal with the intestine, but additionally it’s a holistic strategy to every thing.
Katie: Yeah, and I really like this about useful medication typically. It’s at all times a each/and. Whereas usually in typical medication, not at all times, however usually it looks like the tendency is to laser deal with a symptom, which as you simply defined, typically allows you to miss the factor that’s really inflicting the symptom and that might really enable you to undo it.
And additionally with the caveat that we talked about, every thing is so customized and individualized. I do know there are additionally, particularly for somebody with a excessive degree of irritation, some good normal pointers relating to diet particularly. So I might like to delve into form of your normal pointers place to begin for diet after which clearly somebody can construct with meals intolerance testing or intestine testing what their specifics will seem like.
Maggie: Yeah, so if you’re on this state, you wish to get higher. So there are particular issues that we all know are going that can assist you get higher and sure issues that aren’t going to contribute to that journey. And so in case you are critical about this, I actually suppose it’s best to go all in on lowering irritation in your meals as a lot as attainable, which might be consuming actual meals. So much less packaged items, as a result of we all know that they comprise inflammatory oils, synthetic flavorings, maybe, meals dyes. That isn’t going to contribute to your wellness, however a pleasant superb meal of precise actual entire meals would contribute to that.
I might say the three issues I believe would enable you to lower irritation probably the most is lowering grains, not simply gluten, however precise grains. So grains, dairy and sugar. There’s no approach that if you happen to scale back or get rid of grains, dairy and sugar, you’re going to trigger extra irritation. There is 100% probability that that’s not going to break you. And there’s an enormous probability that’s gonna assist you numerous. And so even if you happen to don’t know for 100% certain if you happen to ought to take these issues out, it’s going to enable you to. So in case you are able to get assist, scale back that or get rid of that for a time period. And not like every week after which say it didn’t work. I imply like three stable months. You don’t eat grains or dairy or sugar for probably the most half. And you’re coming at it not from like a spot of worry or like, oh, I’ve to do that or some weight loss program. You’re coming at it since you are excited as heck to really feel your greatest and you already know that these meals trigger irritation and also you’re like, I’m not going to offer that to my physique proper now. We’re on a journey. We’re going to get higher. I wish to really feel superb.
And so I might say normal pointers, you already know, eat actual meals and scale back these three issues or get rid of these three issues. And I might say, I assume one other one is alcohol. It’s not going that can assist you heal. You know that, proper? And I’m not saying it’s important to give this up for eternally. You can in order for you, however you don’t must. But in case you are desirous to go on this journey, that isn’t going that can assist you heal. And you already know that. So if you happen to can take away alcohol for perhaps that three months, you’ll really feel higher. And so it’s only a matter of, do you wish to really feel higher proper now or not? And it’s as much as you. It’s lower than your physician or as much as your bestie to inform you what to do. It’s as much as you. If you do, you wish to really feel higher. And if you happen to do… Following these pointers that I simply mentioned, you’re gonna really feel considerably higher in three months.
Katie: And I do know you and I’ve each talked about and or loved at conferences, Dry Farm Wines. And I really like that their founder, even once I’ve had him on this podcast talks about that, he’s like, alcohol is objectively poisonous, full cease. That mentioned, such as you mentioned earlier, if you happen to’re in a spot the place you’ve constructed resilience and you’ve got all these different issues in line, it’s one thing the physique can deal with occasionally, particularly carefully. But I really like that he even proudly owning an alcohol firm actually is clear about like, this isn’t one thing that’s well being selling. That doesn’t imply you possibly can’t have it. That doesn’t imply you possibly can’t mitigate it. But if you happen to’re in that energetic therapeutic part, it’s possible you’ll be a little bit extra light with your self than when you’re healed. And then you’ve that resilience and also you get to decide on the place you set that resilience and the way you kind of spend that resilience that you just’ve constructed.
And I really like that as a result of once more, it goes again to that hope and understanding there’s a lightweight on the finish of the tunnel. None of this must be a eternally and ever, by no means once more will I ever do this stuff. It’s a, I’m gonna take nonetheless many months or years and actually simply heal and provides my physique some grace and know that it’s received me, it’s received my again and that we’re associates. And then ultimately, there’s gonna be resilience and vitality and I’m gonna thrive. And to piggyback on the diet aspect. I do know there are additionally loads of way of life habits which might be extraordinarily supportive. Again, additionally some that aren’t supportive. So with the understanding, once more, as soon as that there’s personalization and individualization, what are a number of the baseline form of good and unhealthy way of life habits?
Maggie: Exactly. And this off the approach to life habits, it comes all the way down to you. Like nobody could make you do that, however you do. So it’s actually a mindset factor of I’m going to be the one that does this factor and, you already know, faking it. So you make it for a little bit bit. That’s not going to be simple as a result of new behavior you make, however then it turns into second nature. So issues like sleep high quality, proper? We know sleep is essential. Like you’re going to have a a lot more durable time to heal. If you aren’t getting correct high quality and amount of sleep, not similar to the hours, the precise deep, good therapeutic sleep.
So within the ebook, I speak rather a lot about sleep hygiene and optimize that. And typically it even begins within the morning time to set your circadian rhythm and begin to get into this new physique routine, as a result of then your physique can work through the day prefer it’s speculated to and heal and relaxation through the night time. So that’s one space.
Another way of life factor is simply actually mindset. Stress and nervousness is poison. And it could even be good stress. I discuss that. I’ve loads of good stress in my life. I’m very enthusiastic about loads of issues. I’m going to superior locations and I’m enthusiastic about it, however it’s nonetheless placing my physique in a sympathetic nervous system state, like sustained. So you don’t know activate, whether or not it’s good stress or unhealthy stress. If you don’t know activate your parasympathetic nervous system, which is liable for therapeutic and digesting and rebalancing, you’re gonna come into bother. You’re going to have well being decline. And so actually simply specializing in lowering total stress.
For me, full disclosure, loads of my stress once I first was sick, and perhaps that is one thing that you just relate to as a listener, loads of my stress was round selections. I personally had such a tough time making selections and it could stress me out. I wish to stew over one thing so foolish. Or like, on the time it felt so necessary to me, however I might simply stew over issues and fear and it could trigger a lot stress and nervousness. And then I might eat from my feelings after which I might stay awake as a result of I used to be considering a lot about this. So for me personally, like chilling out and never caring a lot about stuff actually helped. It actually, actually helped. And in order that’s one other space.
And then the third factor I’ll discuss is the non-toxic dwelling. So simply typically, or typically dwelling a extra much less poisonous way of life is a superb way of life behavior to have. You know, the much less toxins that you’ve in your family cleaners and your hygiene gadgets and your magnificence merchandise everyday, that provides as much as make such a big effect in your well being. And the good factor about that’s that when you substitute an merchandise with a extra non-toxic merchandise, it doesn’t matter. You get up daily in a more healthy state and also you don’t must do something further. So it’s actually, actually an important place to focus to cut back irritation with out it actually impacting you in any respect, otherwise you having to consider it in any respect.
Katie: That’s an important level. And I might say now as in comparison with 16 years in the past once I began this journey, there are such a lot of extra merchandise out there to make that an nearly seamless swap, whether or not it’s non-toxic laundry merchandise or cleansing merchandise or private care. Like all these issues I used to be having to determine make in my kitchen are actually simple to purchase and sometimes related pricing because the poisonous ones. So I really like that we’ve began to see the mainstream shifts round that.
And to focus on what you mentioned additionally, I do know once I was within the form of intensive therapeutic part, I needed to lean into sleep rather a lot and I had to concentrate to realizing like, oh, I’ve been in sympathetic nervous system dominance for no less than a decade, in all probability with out entering into parasympathetic in any respect. And so proper now I’m going to be so light with myself and I’m going to sleep a ton and I’m going to simply do light actions. Like I might do strolling and swimming and I used to be not doing excessive depth. I used to be not making an attempt to push it within the fitness center and I used to be listening to my physique and now I’ve the resilience to push actually laborious within the fitness center. But I didn’t then that might have saved me in all probability from therapeutic as shortly.
Maggie: That’s an important level. I ended understanding utterly. But when you’re within the tank and your physique has no vitality, you don’t have vitality to crush it within the fitness center and construct muscle tissue. And so that may be a actually necessary factor. And I’ve had loads of my shoppers cease their exercises and simply belief the method. And all I would like you to deal with is therapeutic your physique. Like act such as you’re a little bit little one and you might be sick and provides your self the TLC you want. And then sure, train is nice for us. We know this, da da da, you already know, try this later. But it’s really damaging if you happen to’re doing it in a state of well being outline. It may be counterintuitive.
Katie: Yeah, I’m so glad you highlighted that. And yeah, such as you, I didn’t work out like something that might have been train. I believe motion and train needs to be their very own classes. And I like discovered like solely light, like I imply, light walks in nature, getting sunshine, respiration recent air, ideally barefoot on the seashore. But no, I used to be not jogging. I used to be not lifting. I used to be undoubtedly not doing excessive depth. And it was, I believe, actually useful for that therapeutic. So I really like that we talked about that.
And I assume in hindsight, we may have really swapped this order, however we simply talked an entire lot in regards to the bodily aspect of this. And I do know from studying a lot of your work, that you just are also very conscious of what I really feel like is no less than equally necessary or probably extra necessary, which is the mindset that goes into therapeutic. And I believe usually, if we will take a mindset first strategy, it makes the bodily adjustments and the sensible adjustments a lot simpler.
And I do know for me, this was a lacking hyperlink for a very long time, as a result of I believed I may similar to plan my approach and logic my approach and willpower my approach into all these adjustments. And I’ve talked about my story earlier than, however it wasn’t till I really addressed my mindset and my feelings, that really all these different issues kind of like caught up and had been capable of be efficient. And you additionally discuss mindset so nicely within the ebook. And you talked about if you had been in that acute part, you had choice stress, and also you had similar to fatigue and all this stuff. So I might like to now delve into the world of mindset round therapeutic and help our physique via supporting our mindset.
Maggie: Yeah, nicely, I might by no means have healed if I didn’t repair my mindset round meals. That was one of many large ones for me. And we talked about like stress, in fact, and nervousness in my choice making, however particularly meals, I usually used it to be match within the fitness center. Like I might observe exercise plans and never from like a bizarre, poisonous place, I used to be simply on-line and no matter plan they might give me aligned with that exercise. That’s what I did. But these plans usually are not wholesome. And in order that and in order that I the mindset of floor to simply actually viewing meals as nursing, not being afraid of any form of meals. If I eat any form of meals, even when it’s not conducive to wellness, there’s zero disgrace guilt round that in any respect. Like if I wish to eat, you already know, pecan pie and ice cream and it’s not dairy free and natural and all this sort of stuff, actually having fun with the second that I’m in consuming that and having fun with the corporate and being along with everyone as a result of then it’s not going to really trigger that a lot injury to your physique.
But what I used to do is both not eat it, after which I might be like bummed I didn’t eat it. And then I’d be craving issues so unhealthy that finally I would really like binge out on no matter on my own. Or I might eat it after which I might really feel responsible round that. Like I did one thing unhealthy and the subsequent day I might wish to like go on a cleanse or a juice or go work out further laborious. That cycle is so poisonous. And I promise if you happen to’re caught there, like there’s hope to get out of there. Cause I keep in mind feeling like there’s, I keep in mind being so nervous even to have youngsters sooner or later as a result of I didn’t understand how I might be capable to have like peanut butter and like snacks and never simply binge out on them. That’s how a lot of a poisonous relationship that I had with meals.
So in like therapeutic that and actually addressing diet, as I’m nourishing my physique and the way superior that I get to decide on how I really feel every day by the meals I put in. And even when that’s a pecan pie with ice cream and it’s not all of these issues, that’s superb. And actually being within the second, that was essential. There’s no approach that I may heal with out that lacking element.
And then the opposite lacking element is, like I mentioned, caring much less about stuff. I cared simply an excessive amount of about issues and that causes me psychological stress. And so as a substitute of caring a lot about my selections or my path in life or the result of my well being journey, I actually took a step again and simply began to embrace the journey that I used to be in proper now. The course of. I embraced and fell in love with the method of therapeutic or the method of constructing my life as a substitute of even enthusiastic about the result. Because I knew and I noticed if I try this, I’m going to get the result. And it’s in all probability gonna be even higher than I might think about within the first place, which spoiler alert it’s. I really feel more healthy and happier and extra vibrant than I’ve ever felt in my whole life. And it led me to a profession change, serving to folks in like a distinct sort of approach as a result of I simply really feel so significantly better. And so actually specializing in these two areas of mindset is a essential piece of the puzzle.
Katie: Well, and for context, for individuals who don’t know your story, you, I imagine, had been a nurse practitioner, proper? So you had like a reasonably large profession shift and I’m certain have been capable of take loads of that information and the most effective components of typical medication after which now you’ve added on a lot extra deeper understanding. But I can solely think about that will need to have been fairly the profession shift from what you had deliberate initially.
Maggie: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I imply, I deliberate to be a nurse practitioner my mainly my whole life. And I did it. I graduated from a college I used to be actually pleased with, college for undergrad and grad college. I received my dream job on the hospital that I wished to work at my entire whole life. And I labored actually laborious for that. I imply, I used to be I labored actually laborious for that. And however as I healed my physique, it’s fascinating. My my entire world began to open up otherwise the place I’m like, I had totally different objectives than I as soon as had. I and I’ve a lot extra vitality. I’ve a lot extra ardour. I’ve ambition towards a distinct factor.
And I actually was so mad at conventional medication after I healed my physique and was left advised that I’d be on IV remedy the remainder of my life and medicines. There’s rather a lot in my life. My docs advised me that I wouldn’t be capable to have infants except we do like deep therapies and issues like that. When I utterly received off all my medicines, healed my physique totally, felt extra higher than I ever felt, misplaced weight naturally that I had gained from the irritation and had three infants naturally. I used to be form of mad that like nobody helps different folks on this approach. At least they weren’t on the time as a lot as they’re now.
And so I actually, I knew that being an respite conditioner, though that was my dream, my true dream, that was not the dream that fulfilled me. And that was not my mission in life. I knew that I had a much bigger mission in life to assist folks via well being and wellness otherwise. And it’s the place my ardour was. So I did have an enormous profession change. And I wouldn’t have been ready to do this, to construct firms, if I used to be nonetheless caught in my well being issues. There’s no approach. So it actually, all is simply linked. And I’m excited for everyone listening as a result of think about what’s gonna open up to your life. If you spend the subsequent X quantity of months or years in your well being and also you turn into a totally totally different human since you’re like the most effective model ever of your self, think about what’s gonna change in your life, your relationships, how you might be as a mother or a enterprise proprietor or an worker or no matter it’s, you already know? It’s gonna change every thing for you.
Katie: Yeah. Well, it appears like for you, it wasn’t that your objective modified as a result of it looks like your entire life you had a need to assist folks, however your context for the way you had been ready to do this modified and received far more strong and also you had been capable of do it in all types of latest methods you hadn’t even imagined earlier than that shift.
To circle again to the mindset stuff too, I really like that you just talked about falling in love with the journey and being within the second. I’ve learn a number of instances now the ebook Be Here Now, and it’s turn into nearly like an inside mantra of types. When I really feel myself getting confused, I’m like, deep breath, the place am I right here? When am I now? Just be right here now. And I really feel like nearly at all times stress is no less than tied to the previous or the longer term. And if we will come heart again within the current second, it makes regardless of the choice is simpler, it makes the stress much less. And I believe these easy issues are sometimes so missed as a result of they’re easy, whether or not it’s simply inhaling a sure option to reset your nervous system or form of auditing and listening to your inside converse and your ideas. But I might love to listen to any suggestions from you as a result of I do know you’ve a number of within the ebook for form of like resetting mindset, resetting the nervous system, coming again to the current second.
Maggie: Yeah. So such as you mentioned, the be right here now, simply actually embracing that the stuff you’re stressing your self out that a lot, it feels so large, however it doesn’t matter. It simply, it doesn’t matter. Just like beginning to actually embrace that for me, some mindset issues that helped me to be within the second, um, round diet, it was form of mantra. If I speak within the ebook about grocery retailer mantras as a substitute of grocery retailer lifts. So I might say to myself on a regular basis, it’s not like, you already know, I already knew the fundamentals of components as a result of I educated myself on that. And I figured that out and also you’re going to be taught that too within the ebook. But then from there it’s extra so consciously selecting what I wish to eat. And I might say to myself, I eat to nourish my physique. And even so if that was a smoothie and I’ve like all this nice stuff in it, I eat to nourish my physique. I’d be like so excited. And I might visualize, I nonetheless do that, just like the vitamins similar to flooding my physique and simply absorbing into my cell and like giving me every thing that I would like. So I eat to nourish my physique. And I nonetheless would say that very same factor if it was a chocolate brownie, I eat to nourish my physique and I might respect that. And I might love that.
And I might have wholesome swaps out there for myself, which I discuss within the ebook, wholesome swaps. So as a substitute of consuming perhaps a conventional chocolate brownie, I might go for the one which’s natural, perhaps rather less sugar, actual components, gluten free, dairy free. I might go for that. Cause I do know, though I’m going to eat a chocolate brownie regardless, so I would as nicely eat the one that’s much less inflammatory for my physique after which respect the heck out of it. So that was useful round that.
Other issues is respiration methods. I might undoubtedly really feel like, I wouldn’t say that I ever had true nervousness, however I might be troubled at instances from stress and choice. And so a respiration technique that basically helped me was to slowly breathe and simply depend to 5, maintain my breath for 5 seconds, exhale for 5 seconds, maintain for 5 seconds, and try this a few instances. No one even has to know you might be doing that. You can try this within the automobile, at work, round your children, no matter, and simply actually resetting and getting within the second once more versus reacting and considering and doing in a state of… Anxiety and stress. So respiration methods.
You talked about exterior nature sluggish walks that each time that you just take a stroll, even if you happen to don’t wish to take that stroll, if you happen to’re out in nature and you’re taking that stroll, I assure you’re going to really feel higher. You’re simply going to really feel extra relieved, extra relaxed. It’s going to reset like what’s necessary to you in life nearly, you already know, and simply form of being in that second versus in survival mode of your everyday. So even a fast stroll exterior actually, actually helps to reset that nervous system.
Katie: Yeah, I believe what you mentioned about our appreciation round meals and our vitality round nourishing ourselves makes an enormous distinction, in fact, in our mindset. But additionally, I’ve seen no less than a number of research. I’m not going to in all probability keep in mind the precise proportion change they seen in these research. But after they really gave the 2 totally different teams the identical actual meals or milkshake or no matter it was, however they had been advised various things about what was in it. And those who had been advised it was extra nourishing and had extra wholesome fat or no matter really reported feeling extra nourished and their physique, like their labs even modified in relation to how they perceived the meals.
And so I believe that is like not a really nicely explored but space of understanding diet, however it does seem to be maybe our mindset is a lot extra necessary to how our physique absorbs meals and the way we really feel with the meals in our our bodies. So I really like that you just mentioned, you already know, even if you happen to’re going to eat the brownie, like respect the heck out of the brownie, undoubtedly don’t have guilt. I might say guilt might be the worst junk meals we will put in our physique relating to meals.
Maggie: 100%. I do know what you’re speaking about. And it’s so intriguing as a result of, um, yeah. And then the individuals who thought that this film was like unhealthy for you, like they’d totally different chemical reactions to that. So it’s, it’s primary, if you happen to undergo life and also you’re happier and also you care much less and also you’re having fun with the method and also you’re, you’re thrilled and enthusiastic about your journey. I, I name this, um, you already know, being so obsessively grateful for the place you might be whereas concurrently striving to your future progress. But in that second, simply being grateful for that, you’re going to have a happier, more healthy life.
Or you possibly can select to remain tremendous stressed, tremendous anxious, at all times nervous in regards to the end result. Always considering that you just’ve received to do xyz and all this sort of stuff and simply deal with the result and the to-do checklist versus embracing the journey, you’re not going to have the identical end result. And it’s been proven that you just may not heal. I imply, actually, your mindset towards being open to therapeutic your physique and actually believing at your core that you may heal your physique, that can enable you to heal your physique. If you might be damaging about this, no, not hiring a health care provider or getting your labs achieved, and even taking a complement, you may say caught as a result of your mindset’s not able to heal. And there’s loads of science behind this.
And this isn’t my experience, however I can inform you from expertise in working with shoppers, the shoppers who’re open and enthusiastic about therapeutic and so they’re like, inform me what to do. Oh my gosh, I’m so excited. I can’t wait to really feel higher. They begin to really feel higher. They’re implementing the factor. This comes easier to them and so they have a extra enjoyable time doing it. Then there are shoppers who come and so they’re already like shocked. And then like that they’re hiring you or like they wish to do that stuff, however they’re simply, they’re already considering to themselves, I do know this isn’t gonna work. That they’re going to have a more durable journey and may not heal. Um, and so I simply suppose it’s so necessary to. Maintain the hope and in addition imagine in your self so deeply like you’ll you’ll heal and you’re going to change your life that one thought grasp on to that. So it’s gonna enable you to each single day of this journey.
Katie: Yeah, completely. And that is one other space the place the research fascinate me as a result of we all know really statistically, placebo is the strongest drug that we’ve, interval, throughout the board. And that’s why we take a look at towards it as a result of our mindset is so highly effective that may really alter our response to one thing that really may very well be completely inert and never doing something for us, however our mindset is. And so I really like this as a result of I really feel like that’s an space that may be loads of work to curate, however we’ve management over our mindset. And a little bit bit extra on this planet of gratitude, however research have checked out this as nicely, like having a gratitude observe, having reminders of gratitude, it really shifts your physiology over time as nicely. And I do know for me, this was a journey that’s nonetheless ongoing, however I noticed trying backwards in my life, I can see even the issues that appeared so troublesome and nearly like unsurvivable on the time grew to become issues that led to lovely adjustments in my life or power I might by no means have recognized in any other case or assembly folks I wouldn’t have met in any other case. And so in hindsight, I’m tremendous grateful for them.
And I noticed, wow, what if I may shift my mindset to search out gratitude even within the moments that appear troublesome? And I’m nonetheless on no account excellent at it. But what I’ve seen is once I try this, these moments appear a lot more easy. And my thoughts naturally goes towards the gratitude piece and in addition to the hope and the therapeutic and the options versus getting caught in that kind of like loop of negativity that may occur after we’re going via one thing troublesome. Very understandably, however it looks like that mindset shift alone, simply having a day by day gratitude observe and studying to search for stuff you’re grateful for, can it shift not solely your mindset, however over time, your physiology too.
Maggie: It can. And I believe that that’s a strong cause of why I used to be capable of heal. Really. And all folks is that gratitude element. Knowing that, no, I’m not the place I wish to be in life proper now. I simply gained 40 kilos within the final couple of months. I’m depressing. I seem like crap. I really feel like crap. But nonetheless being grateful for the method, it didn’t occur in a single day. And it didn’t occur at first. I used to be not grateful at first. I used to be mad that I used to be sick and all these items was occurring and no one was serving to me. I used to be mad.
But as soon as I took management of that energy and I took my well being into my very own arms and I modified the story, I used to be telling myself and I actually embraced the journey. Everything modified. And so wherever you might be in your life, if you happen to can simply be taught to be obsessively grateful about all of it, it may be the tiniest little second, the tiniest little factor like, you already know, you’re sitting subsequent to your kiddo through the day. Eating lunch and also you’re similar to, oh my God, they’re so cute. I’m so grateful. Yeah, they had been screaming their face off quarter-hour in the past, however like, oh, I’m so grateful for this second. That, it adjustments issues in your life and it adjustments the way you undergo your life.
And so even if you happen to’re not the place you wish to be proper now, as a substitute of being mad or upset that you just’re not there or jealous of different people who find themselves there or enthusiastic about your previous or what received you and why you’re caught, as a substitute of enthusiastic about these issues, Focus in your day proper now and be pleased about the place you might be, understanding that every thing occurs for a cause, this is part of your story, and also you get to write down the subsequent chapter. And your actions proper now are going to dictate what that subsequent chapter says. So you’ve the facility to vary every thing, and it’s as much as you.
Katie: And I’ve heard it mentioned earlier than, I believed this was lovely, that gratitude is the emotional feeling of getting already obtained. And so if we begin to have that emotion inside us, I really feel like makes it simpler to obtain no matter it’s we’re engaged on, whether or not it’s therapeutic or no matter. And I believe additionally it jogs my memory of the significance of our inside language, as a result of I’ve heard psychiatrists discuss how our physique doesn’t really know the distinction between what’s occurring in our bodily world and what our unconscious perceives or is emotionally imagining is occurring. And so our ideas can have such a strong impact on all facets of our life.
And I seen this in myself, and once more, it was a sluggish journey, however realizing I used to be asking myself on the time once I was making an attempt to heal and wasn’t, I used to be asking actually unhealthy questions. Like I used to be asking like, why is that this so laborious? Why am I sick? Why can’t I drop pounds? And in fact my unconscious would reply these questions and be like, oh, nicely you’ve had six children or oh, you’ve thyroid illness or no matter. And so it was answering the questions I used to be asking. I simply wasn’t asking the questions as a result of I really wished to reply.
And so I began making an attempt to concentrate and audit my questions and in addition take note of the phrases, something that got here after the phrases, I’m. So I ended saying I’m sick and I began saying I’m therapeutic or daily I’m therapeutic an increasing number of. And I do know these are refined, like refined small issues and so they can appear so insignificant, however over time I felt like my inside voice really modified and I anticipated to get higher and I anticipated to really feel higher and higher every day. And I selected, I noticed I couldn’t punish myself into reducing weight, however once I modified that language, I wished to nourish myself extra. It grew to become a neater shift, a neater alternative as a result of I used to be doing it out of affection for myself as a substitute of punishing myself.
Maggie: Yeah, and also you’ve accepted that you just’re to not your end result but, however you’re excited to get there. And it truly is, it’s not a tiny element to, like that is essential that you just perceive this piece and also you embrace it. That’s additionally why I speak rather a lot about within the ebook, it’s not like an inventory of what you possibly can’t have. I do know that messed me up, and I’m certain it’s in all probability messed loads of you guys up making an attempt to observe one thing of what you possibly can’t have. So as a substitute I deal with what could be most nourishing to my physique. And then you definitely get this entire checklist of fantastic issues that it’s best to add. And it has you add these issues and also you heal your physique. The different issues form of naturally mitigate, however it’s only a change of focus. Instead of specializing in what you possibly can’t have or what’s unhealthy, what are you able to add and what’s superb and what’s gonna flood your physique with these vitamins. And it actually begins to even out.
Another factor that I inform my shoppers rather a lot is I’ve them, you already know, I don’t like just like the pretend it until you make it sort of factor, however I do suppose mindset is so necessary. So even after they really feel like crap, I’ve them say within the morning, like, such as you mentioned that I’m. So say somebody struggles with rheumatoid arthritis. I’ll be like, I’m so glad I’m not in ache right this moment. I’m so glad I lastly healed my RA. I’m so glad I do know precisely what you’re, I’m so glad I’m assured round my decisions. I’m so glad that I’m so glad I’m not nervous about my weight anymore, or no matter it’s.
And each morning, similar to waking up and very first thing, saying that you just’re going to shift your entire day and also you’re really going to make decisions that result in that end result that you just’re so glad about. So all of a sudden it’s really actuality and it simply, it’s essential to this therapeutic journey. And if you happen to haven’t tried it but and also you’re struggling along with your well being, I wager you’ve tried a weight loss program earlier than and I wager you tried loads of different issues or complement or no matter. So if you happen to haven’t tried it but, be open to it. And like right here, Katie and I’ll say, like this was transformational for us and the open risk that that is perhaps one of many lacking keys in your life is your mindset and the way you’re speaking to your self.
Katie: And you talked about that you just’re now a mother to a few children after being advised you’d by no means probably be capable to have children. And I’m curious how these life classes that you just’ve realized and that you just assist your shoppers with come into play in your loved ones atmosphere as nicely.
I speak rather a lot on right here of as we as adults, like heal from bodily issues, from emotional issues, no matter it’s, as mothers, a part of our focus can be like, how can I make this a neater journey for my children? Or how can I give my children framework in order that maybe their studying curve isn’t so steep after they’re my age? And so I might love to listen to any suggestions you’ve as a mother of sensible methods you implement this stuff along with your children at residence and or like, how do you assist them develop a wholesome mindset from a younger age and the way is your language round them, you already know, constructed on what you’ve realized?
Maggie: Well, before everything, each single day, my children, since they had been born, they get to get up with much less toxin burden as a result of I prioritize, you already know, natural bedding for his or her cribs and… Healthier meals and we don’t store, we do store our pantry fridge you already know, issues like that. We store natural, we store, you already know, gluten-free, we store actually nice high quality issues. So each single day they’re already arrange for fulfillment.
They’ve been ingesting out of glass water bottles since they had been born, you already know, the pans, all that form of stuff. And if you happen to’re feeling like, oh, shoot, I didn’t try this, don’t fear, there’s nonetheless time for you, you may make the change everytime you need. And so primary, that. I do know that after they get up of their home the place they spend loads of their time, I’m lowering their poisonous burden.
The different factor is mindset round meals. Although I do know that some meals are conducive to a vibrant, wholesome life, and a few you’re not gonna really feel so nicely, I by no means need my children to be afraid of meals. I hated that I had that mindset. I personally grew up with a mother who was at all times weight-reduction plan and at all times on like the subsequent drink or the subsequent no matter and at all times additionally upset that she by no means was at her dream weight. And that undoubtedly impacted myself and my sisters, like for certain. And so I by no means need them to see that from me. I need them to see me nourishing my physique from a spot of affection. And me by no means, like having an ice cream cone after which be like, oh shoot, I shouldn’t have had that. I don’t need them to listen to that from me. I’ll by no means, I’ll by no means try this. And so simply displaying by instance, how I eat and nourish my physique after which by no means telling them that, you already know, one thing is unhealthy for them. Rather the restaurant and so they order mac and cheese. I’m like, oh my gosh, it seems to be so good. How is it? I’m not telling them that’s not good for you. Do this as a substitute. I might by no means try this.
So I simply suppose that these two parts are big and we’ll assist them via loads of issues. And, you already know, you talked about mindset naturally their mindset and their psychological well being will enhance due to these two issues, due to the diet, the much less irritation and the much less toxicity. So they’re not going to be working so laborious towards one thing. It’s going to be extra, it’s going to be simpler for them actually.
Katie: I really like that. I believe that’s an important balanced strategy the place you’re not, and I do the identical factor. I’m not proscribing what my children eat, particularly in the event that they’re not at our home. When we’re residence, such as you, I cook dinner nourishing wholesome meals as a result of that’s what we do in our home and that’s what’s in our home. But after they’re out someplace, I’m not going to be the mother that steps in and is like, you possibly can’t eat that. Or once more, with telling them meals is unhealthy. Because I really feel like that mindset is definitely, particularly for teenagers, extra necessary. And it’s to me the precedence that they discover ways to hearken to their very own our bodies.
Because similar to we talked about, everyone seems to be so customized and individualized. Long-term, they’ve higher information about their very own physique and their expertise and the way they really feel than I do, whilst their mother. And so wanting to maintain prime of thoughts, like how do I assist them curate that consciousness at an age lengthy earlier than hopefully I realized how to do this. I really like that. And you’ve shared so, a lot knowledge. Another query, a little bit bit off subject. Well, I wish to be certain we point out your ebook as nicely. We’ve touched on it a little bit bit via this, however let folks know what it’s, the place they will discover it. And in fact it is going to be linked within the present notes as nicely, however it will get a lot extra complete than we will cowl in only a podcast. So the place can folks continue to learn from you?
Maggie: Well, it’s known as Eat to Treat. So you’ll wanna, you may get that anyplace you’d purchase a ebook, however in order for you simply to go to eattotreat.com, you’ll find it. And the ebook can be a three half collection. Part one is determining what’s happening in your physique. Why do you’ve these signs? What’s mistaken with you? With the half one.
Number two is the approach to life. So anti-inflammatory way of life. I assume, like I am going, we must speak for like 10 hours to undergo all of these things. But anti-inflammatory way of life.
And then half three is eat to deal with, however I’m certain you possibly can gauge. It’s not a weight loss program plan. I’m going to show you have a lifelong instrument to have a wholesome physique, to heal your physique, after which to take care of resilience so that you just’re not pristine, excellent, and must isolate your self from all these conditions anymore. And you already know, that’s a short lived maybe factor to. To be extra cognizant of what you’re consuming, however I need you to have long-term wellness. So that’s what the ebook is. You can test it out and I’m excited for you guys to learn that.
Katie: And I may even hyperlink to your web site as a result of you’ve a lot data on there as nicely that folks can simply learn and leap in instantly as nicely. Speaking of books although, I might like to know if there’s a ebook or variety of books which have profoundly impacted you personally and in that case, what they’re and why.
Maggie: So really I’m not an enormous reader, however there was one particular ebook that modified every thing for me. And we each know the writer, JJ Virgin. When I used to be struggling, I had by no means heard of useful medication. I didn’t know this world existed. And I used to be a nurse practitioner, keep in mind. So this was not that way back, which blows my thoughts. But my aunt had advised me like, simply Google useful medication, Maggie. Like there’s hope for you. You can heal, you already know, simply Google it. And that form of led me down this rabbit gap of enrolling into IFN and all this sort of stuff. And my aunt or my mother, one in all them gave me JJ Virgin’s ebook, The Sugar Impact Diet. And studying that clicked one thing for me the place I’m like, I imply, I swear, I highlighted your entire factor, however it was similar to speaking in regards to the components in your meals and the chemical compounds and the affect that, you already know, corn and sugar could have in your insulin ranges and the way that impacts your hormone and your temper. And that simply helped me as a result of it made me notice like, you already know, perhaps I’m not damaged. Maybe like, this isn’t my path. And perhaps I simply had no concept that what I’m doing, my physique from what I’m consuming is impacting me this unhealthy. And in order that was big. And I’m hopeful that it’s best to get that ebook or try Eat to Treat as a result of clearly I mirror loads of that as a result of you want to realize it. And in order that, if you already know, like that was big for me. That modified every thing.
Katie: I like it. I’ll hyperlink to that as nicely. I’m additionally associates with and love JJ and I do know she was one of many early voices on this world. And I believe we owe all of us a lot to the work that she did and that we’ve all now gotten to construct from. And once more, additionally spotlight and suggest your ebook as a result of I believe there’s so many simply gold suggestions in there woven all through the entire thing. I undoubtedly highlighted rather a lot in your ebook. So each of these shall be linked within the present notes for you guys listening. Those are at all times at wellnessmama.com. But Maggie, it’s at all times such a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you a lot for going so deep right this moment and sharing a lot of your knowledge and your story. So grateful to your time.
Maggie: I’m so grateful to be right here and you already know, my hope is that simply even one in all you is impressed right this moment to take change of your life and simply know that you may be a totally totally different human than you might be proper now. Your story’s not lower in stone and you may heal. I’m excited for all of you guys to do this.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your time with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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