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Last week, I requested: “How should voters assess the physical and mental fitness of politicians, and how should the press cover such matters?”
Bekke factors out that voters have a troublesome job:
How to resolve who’s mentally match to serve is a real conundrum. Like magnificence, it’s largely within the eye of the beholder. Media is usually a large affect and paid adverts can sway voters. Given the First Amendment, it’s tough to throttle “free speech” no matter its veracity. In the top, it comes right down to the voters doing their due diligence and actually taking note of the candidate’s insurance policies, slightly than listening to media hype and assault adverts.
Glenn believes that the matter requires rude journalism, a necessity that’s heightened by a generational attribute of Baby Boomers:
If the World War II era was the “Greatest Generation,” then the Baby Boomer era is the “longest generation.” They refuse to retire; can’t think about retiring; gained’t retire!
The Greatest Generation made its title and popularity on the battlefields of Europe, on a regular basis trying to return house to a traditional life with their household, whether or not it existed but or not. Once house within the postwar period, they set about constructing a profession, a life, a household, and a nation, however all the time seemed to retirement after they may benefit from the fruits of their labor in a way more non-public method. The Baby Boomers are nothing like that. They have by no means contemplated any life past an expert one. And so their plan appears to be to hold on to no matter energy, status, or routine their work affords them for so long as doable.
We all worth this cussed “not gonna quit” mentality, and naturally many people might be extremely purposeful property to our chosen occupation very late in life. But it’s equally obvious that many people can and do lose a few of our acuity and utility as we get older. This bodily actuality, coupled with the psychological make-up of our present eldest era, has compelled the burden of figuring out “when it’s time to go,” from the person to the remainder of society. None of us are comfy making these choices inside our personal households, a lot much less for another person’s household. These choices are being made privately in firm boardrooms and household dwelling rooms throughout America in the present day. But within the political area, such choices are essentially made in a really public setting.
Voting is a giant accountability. Every citizen is requested to make very tough and messy boardroom and living-room choices for our nation in a really public approach. If we’re to make the most effective choices doable, we want accuracy and equity greater than politeness from our media. One’s bodily and psychological acuity is a sound voting issue. Is that ageism? Maybe. Is it acceptable for the people who have to decide on the leaders of the free world?
Absolutely.
If the times of the occasion nominations popping out of a smoke-filled again room are over—and they’re—then we must make some very public, very uncomfortable choices, and we’ll want some very public, very uncomfortable reporting to meet our civic obligation.
Rachel feels herself to be on the mercy of media which might be failing to carry out their duties:
Can the inhabitants assess a candidate’s health to serve with out sincere reporting? We, the plebeian class, discover ourselves caught between two forces of chaos whereas our journalistic class finds ever extra justifications to align with one in all them. Honest assessments are met with cries of some evil “-ism”, as if primary journalistic integrity is fodder for oppressors.
Our journalistic class has spent a yr telling me Democracy is in peril—that if I don’t come to the identical conclusion as them, I’m killing our republic. But I imagine that the failure of our journalists to report truthfully, to try to separate their private views from their public service, is killing our democracy. A polity unable to truthfully assess a candidate’s health as a result of journalists worry having a scarlet A for ableism sewn to their profiles is a inhabitants incapable of carrying the load of our democracy.
Whereas Harold would like a much less individualistic method to evaluating candidates:
There is a fantasy in America: Change, innovation, and genius move from a single particular person, ideally a mannequin of perfection. Those round them who made all of it doable share little within the success. It is a narrative that shapes who we understand as being worthy to signify us. Should anybody exhibit any attribute that’s seen as a deviation from perfection, then they’re now not certified for the place. I discover all of it very disheartening.
And Timothy believes the press ought to keep away from even elevating the query of age with the intention to keep away from ageism:
There are 90-year-olds getting school levels and opening companies and there are 60-year-olds rotting away in a recliner watching I Love Lucy reruns for the 96th time. Young politicians mustn’t have their age used as a weapon to create doubt about their competency any greater than an previous politician ought to have their age used as a weapon to create doubt about their competency. Even mere mentions of a candidate’s age, introduced as nothing greater than reality, can impose bias within the public and must be prevented.
Other than the candidate assembly the authorized minimal required age to serve within the workplace, there must be no point out of a candidate’s age by the press nor the opponent until the candidate themselves makes it a problem. Just as a legal defendant’s medical situations can’t be pursued in court docket until the defendant brings it up, age must be protected to begin eradicating ageism from our conversations.
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Meredith makes an attempt to attract distinctions:
As a mom of a neurodivergent son and a volunteer who helps adults with disabilities, ableism just isn’t a topic I take flippantly. We stay in a rustic that continues to miss the dignity, rights, and wishes of residents with disabilities and that undervalues the lives of our seniors. To assess a specific politician, ask one easy query: Can the impairments in query be mitigated with affordable lodging? If so, withholding these lodging can be flawed. However, if there isn’t any type of assist that might help an individual in performing the duties to which they have been elected, questioning their suitability is suitable. A free and truthful society will need to have a media the place their health to serve might be challenged, however there’s a approach to take action that targets the difficulty and never the particular person.
If we hold throwing ableism and ageism round to close down criticism, we turn into complicit in masking up the systemic ableism that permeates our world and presents the REAL drawback for these dwelling with disabilities or returning to the workforce at a complicated age. I DO see the influence of ableism in our society, in our cities, in how we educate, work, and recreate … I don’t see it in asking our elected officers to place the wants of their constituents above their very own have to be the particular person holding the workplace when age or sickness impairs their potential to serve. I share the will that our legislators be cognitively succesful.
Theodore needs voters to get assist from consultants in order that they’ll make extra goal choices:
Where problems with psychological competence or psychological well being come up, I might counsel a politically impartial panel of eminent medical doctors specializing in neurological and psychiatric issues, maybe convened by the National Academy of Sciences or some equally distinguished, apolitical, medical or scientific physique, both on the initiative of the convening physique or upon the request of the candidate whose health has been challenged. The candidate or candidates can be requested to undergo examination by the panel. The panel can be tasked with inspecting the candidate and issuing a public report on the candidate’s health for the general public workplace she or he seeks and, if acceptable, the candidate’s prognosis over his or her potential time period. The report must be couched in nontechnical, simply comprehensible language able to being understood by most people.
Bruce agrees:
I don’t imagine voters can or ought to must resolve on the bodily and psychological well being of candidates for public workplace when loads of skilled consultants can be found. As a starter, I counsel a board of 5 nonpartisan physicians, together with a neurologist and a psychiatrist, who’re permitted to completely look at candidates for the presidency and vice presidency and report their findings publicly and transparently in a fashion to be decided.
But Robert warns in opposition to deceptive ourselves into overestimating the objectivity of our impressions and judgments:
This obsession with the psychological and bodily well being of politicians is a component of a bigger drawback: misuse of medical terminology to provide a patina of scientific objectivity to subjective judgments. We label somebody a “narcissist” once we imply to say he’s a bit stuffed with himself. We name somebody a “sociopath” once we imply to say she’s insensitive to our emotions. We hardly ever, if ever, diagnose folks on our facet. It is all the time a approach of claiming somebody on the opposite facet is unfit. But a psychological or bodily sickness doesn’t outline an individual. Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy all suffered from critical sickness whereas in workplace. All three are thought-about among the many prime presidents.
I feel we should always largely go away mental- and physical-health considerations out of our political judgments. We’d be extra sincere if we known as our legislators too previous, chilly, or silly as a substitute of constructing armchair diagnoses of dementia, psychopathy, or mental incapacity.
Gary stopped working to spare his sufferers the opportunity of age-diminished efficiency, and criticizes politicians who stick round too lengthy, arguing that in doing in order that they danger nice hurt to hundreds of thousands of individuals.
He writes:
I’m a retired surgeon.
My mom is alive at 101; my father lived to be 97. Both seem (previous tense for father) alert and cogent to an informal observer. That is way, removed from true. I’m nicely: no medicines, fairly lively, and many others. My expertise with friends and sufferers (my observe was joint substitute; Medicare age closely represented) and common observations prompted me to retire from surgical procedure at age 70 and utterly at 71.
I significantly loved my medical/surgical observe and was on no account “burned out.” With a largely Medicare inhabitants, I’m removed from rich. In order to cheer myself—or, at the very least, to reassure myself of this determination—I did a little analysis. You can see how my voting will go from what I wrote:
Old age brings bodily infirmity and sickness. Mental decline—particularly in duties requiring fast evaluation and fluidity of thought—can also be inevitable. Although size of life has elevated, there has not been an accompanying enchancment in bodily and psychological well-being. Between 5 and 14 p.c of individuals aged over 70 undergo some type of dementia, and this incidence almost doubles each 5 years. Roughly 20 p.c of these aged over 80 are mentally impaired, and by 90 years, as much as 40 p.c have dementia.
Loss of perception and judgment are almost common with dementia. These adjustments could also be delicate; worse, an individual with diminished psychological acuity won’t ever acknowledge their dementia. For the aged, fast but full and correct determination making as is required in some occupations could also be tough, even inconceivable. Conflict then happens between private pursuits versus public security; these are ideally resolved in favor of public security.
Certain positions include a compulsory retirement age: air-traffic controller, 56 years; federal law-enforcement officer, 57 years; airline pilot, 65 years; diplomat (however not ambassador!), 65 years. At least eight states require necessary retirement for sure forms of judges. Several well being methods have launched necessary retirement or competence testing by age 75. Doctors can injure folks, after all, however solely one after the other, and an airline pilot is perhaps liable for a number of hundred deaths. In both occasion, the impact of an error is rapid and apparent. With penalties delayed and unclear, a president, legislator, or decide may repeatedly damage the lives of tens of hundreds of thousands with misguided choices and undo a lifetime of their very own collected esteem.
Woodrow Wilson represented the U.S. on the Paris Peace Talks following World War I. During these talks, Wilson grew to become in poor health. One college of thought on how harshly the Treaty of Versailles handled Germany is that Wilson didn’t counter the French prime minister, Georges Clemenceau, who prevailed: Germany was destroyed, disorganized, and demoralized. The end in Germany included paranoia, rabidly defensive nationalism, intense racism, and division. The consequence was Hitler, World War II, and the Holocaust.
FDR was impaired when elected to his fourth time period in 1944. The Yalta Conference in early 1945 decided the destiny of Germany after World War II. According to some, its phrases inadvertently set the way in which for Stalin and the Soviets to dominate Eastern Europe and precipitated the Cold War. It is believed that Roosevelt’s weakened state was partly accountable. FDR died two months later.
Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma shall be 93 when his time period is accomplished. Chuck Grassley is operating for an additional Senate time period; Senator Dianne Feinstein is leaning towards one other time period in 2024. If reelected, each shall be 94 on the finish of their time period. In Congress, there are at the moment greater than 10 members over the age of 80. The present Supreme Court’s conservative composition is partly attributable to the liberal justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. RBG is revered as a Supreme Court justice and good authorized strategist. Yet, in her 80s and having survived a number of episodes of most cancers, she lacked the perception to retire.
Just because the requisite hyperconfidence of a profitable particular person may turn into harmful hubris with years of energy and affect, a decline from extremely purposeful, clever, and insightful to mildly eccentric to overtly demented can subtly happen. Those in positions of energy carry a burden to offer for purchasers, sufferers, constituents, prospects. As they age, they deserve respect and, if desired and acceptable, a place the place they may contribute. They additionally carry an obligation to potential successors, and their finest motion is perhaps stepping apart, deferring to a youthful, extra astute and mentally agile particular person who would profit from mentorship or steerage. Consider Sir Isaac Newton’s commentary: “If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”
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Stephan affords an analogous conclusion from the attitude of a special occupation:
I’m [Federal Aviation Administration–licensed] as a industrial pilot, and I’m now 86. I now not fly, both recreationally (which is my selection) or for work (which is the federal government’s selection). The FAA mandates a hard and fast retirement age for working pilots, which is mainly age 65, although there are minor exceptions. I’ve additionally stopped driving until it’s completely obligatory. My 16-years-younger spouse takes the wheel of our Porsche. That is my selection as nicely, although I’m nonetheless fairly able to driving, after a profession as an automotive journalist, together with the editorship of Car and Driver, that put me behind the wheel of loads of high-performance automobiles, together with my very own modified Porsche monitor automobile.
If we don’t need 86-year-old pilots flying our airliners, why ought to we settle for 86-year-old politicians flying our nation? There must be a government-mandated retirement age, and I’d be pleased with it at age 75. How many of those folks whining about ableism/ageism are additionally complaining that they need to be allowed to fly in airplanes piloted by folks Dianne Feinstein’s age?
I’m guessing none.
Margie and Don object to ageism:
As two retired enterprise consultants who at the moment are 83 and nonetheless going sturdy, we object to Americans’ reacting to anybody over 70 as in some way much less ready. We are very lively in our retirement house, and volunteer for a lot of different charitable endeavors right here in Boulder. I do 4 train courses every week, have written letters to the native newspapers and lots of of postcards to get out the vote, monitor the e book membership, attend portray periods weekly, and host a potluck month-to-month for 30 to 35 residents. We additionally volunteer at our native library for numerous ESL applications. In addition, we keep in contact with our 5 kids and 11 grandchildren, together with sending containers of home made cookies to encourage our school college students at midterms and to have a good time their birthdays. We keep knowledgeable by watching morning and nightly information, in addition to the Sunday political applications and Fareed Zakaria’s take. We usually are not simply “napping our lives away,” that’s for positive.
My husband, a former school professor with a Ph.D., has climbed all of the 14ers within the decrease 48, nonetheless performs senior softball, manages the 70s workforce, and runs the Boulder Blues Softball Club. He works out in a fitness center, hikes or rides his bike at the very least three to 4 days per week. His curiosity in and concern for local weather change has prompted him to take the lead in our efforts to “Reduce, Reuse, Recycle,” and we now compost and recycle greater than 70 p.c of our refuse in our constructing. Fortunately for us, he additionally volunteers to assist with every little thing else in our senior neighborhood, together with operating the Great Decisions dialogue group sponsored by the Foreign Policy Association every winter. Our administration right here has benefited from his recommendation and counsel on every little thing from staffing to the set up of electrical chargers in our communal storage, used for charging our EV and two others.
We take umbrage at the concept anybody past a sure age can now not contribute to the better good. If the American public chooses to lump all of us in a single class simply due to our ages, they’re sadly mistaken. We suppose Joe Biden is doing a wonderful job and, if allowed to proceed, will achieve this in one other time period starting in 2024.
Dennis displays that age giveth and taketh qualities of a superb chief:
I’ve a saying: “I know that tomorrow I will be wiser than I am today, because I know that today, I am wiser than I was yesterday.” At age 77, I really feel very clever and capable of act on that knowledge.
Nevertheless I need to admit that my energy and stamina have declined. My potential to bodily act is considerably restricted in comparison with many years in the past. Wisdom and expertise are glorious traits for leaders; nevertheless, every particular person is completely different, and voters want to have the ability to totally consider all circumstances of a candidate’s health. Also, do circumstances require a pacesetter who can carry the sword in a cost in battle or have the diplomatic expertise to barter and keep prosperity and peace?
Hopefully, I will proceed being wiser tomorrow than I’m in the present day. However, I understand that sooner or later I could not bear in mind what knowledge I’ve gained in the present day for tomorrow––and the way, when, or if this decline ought to happen is unpredictable. Unfortunately, age does improve the chances of some decline, however not when and in whom.
I totally take pleasure in my retirement, though I do know others my age and in my occupation who proceed to work. I imagine that most individuals (who’re free to decide on) know when it’s time to retire, and we should always give a candidate some credit score for realizing if they’re match for the job. Still, it’s the voter’s proper to have as a lot data as doable to judge a candidate, and the candidate’s obligation to offer that data, and the journalist’s obligation to report on it as nicely.
And Errol opines:
There is one thing to be mentioned to your chief having poise and exuding energy. People can name that “ableism,” and perhaps it’s, however we stay in the true world the place superficialities have worth. People are going to must be taught to stay with that so long as people exist.