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Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and I’m again immediately with return visitor, Dr. Steven Gundry. And on this episode, we break down and debunk the myths of the Blue Zones. And I really like this subject as a result of Blue Zones, I really feel like, are sometimes quoted and cherry-picked for his or her information to attempt to promote totally different plans or dietary supplements or merchandise that folks have. And I really like that we obtained to go deep on what the information really says about Blue Zones. And it may not be what you suppose. I actually realized some issues about this that I didn’t know, together with some stunning statistics. I do know certainly one of these will completely shock you about one of many components that could be contributing to longevity in sure Blue Zones. And it’s positively not gonna be what you suppose.
And Dr. Gundry breaks down how, whereas Blue Zones are sometimes used to advertise vegetarian or vegan or excessive grain diets, that’s not what the information really says. And there’s some distinctive different issues that stand out, together with consumption of sure uncommon meals that aren’t as frequent within the US however obtainable now within the US. We discuss their motion patterns and their every day life-style habits, in addition to components and information round nutrient consumption and mineral consumption and why these are such vital components.
And on the finish, he additionally shares his private non-negotiables and 80-20 of what he does daily to take care of his well being and vitality and vitality whereas he nonetheless maintains a really lively profession, working with sufferers, writing books, and doing analysis as effectively. And you’ve most likely heard of him, however Dr. Gundry is the founder and director of the International Heart and Lung Institute, in addition to the Center for Restorative Medicine. He’s written many bestselling books, together with The Plant Paradox and the companions to that, The Longevity Paradox, The Energy Paradox, his new Gut Check e-book, and lots of others. He has over 300 articles printed in peer-reviewed journals, and he focuses on a dietary strategy to lowering illness and reversing issues like autoimmune illness. In truth, his statistic for doing that together with his sufferers is over 94%. He’s been doing this work for many years, and he’s one of many actually robust voices on this house. I’m very excited to share him with you immediately, so let’s bounce into the episode. Dr. Gundry, welcome again. I’m so excited to have you ever again once more.
Dr. Gundry: Hey, it’s nice to be right here, thanks.
Katie: Well, I’m tremendous excited to leap into a subject that the title could be a bit of stunning to individuals at first look, however I do know that you’ve got lots of information and expertise to assist this, and I’m tremendous excited to be taught from you immediately. We’re gonna discuss debunking Blue Zones. So to begin broad and provides some background, I’d love so that you can clarify what are the largest misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones as a result of I’ve been watching this information now for over a decade, and it looks like a number of individuals cherry-pick the information from Blue Zones to attempt to show their very own level or promote their very own product. And I do know you’re a really first rules pushed individual and you actually go to the basis of issues. So what are these misconceptions in terms of Blue Zones?
Dr. Gundry: Well, as I discuss in that chapter within the, within the new e-book, Gut Check, the chapter is principally entitled, Cigarettes, Cheese, and Meat: New ideas from the Blue Zones. Simon & Garfunkel used to say {that a} man hears what he desires to listen to and disregards the remainder. And initially, the Blue Zones, everyone wonders, effectively, the place the phrase Blue Zones come from? We’re speaking about lots of these locations the place within the water or islands or within the Mediterranean, and perhaps it’s the ocean.
Now the Blue Zones, there was a gathering in Montpellier, France, which is within the south of France, quite a lot of years in the past, and a researcher obtained a blue-tip felt-markering pen and went to a map of the world and drew some circles round 5 locations that he thought, he thought had the very best longevity on this planet. And who can be within the viewers however Dan Buettner, who really has trademarked the time period Blue Zone. So I’ve to watch out after I say it or use it. And so Dan is a vegetarian, nearly vegan. And so he wished, I believe, to select these components of the Blue Zone cultures that assist his perception system. And, sadly, once you really have a look at what individuals eat in these areas, that doesn’t assist his perception system one bit.
We may use Okinawa for an instance. The Okinawans, the one detailed description of the Okinawan weight-reduction plan was achieved by the US navy in 1947 as an occupying nation. We took over Okinawa. And the one description of what Okinawans ate again then was by the US navy, primary. The Okinawans, 85% of their weight-reduction plan is a purple candy potato. The soy that they eat is miso. They hardly eat any rice, and so they actually don’t eat every other grain merchandise. The different factor that’s distinctive concerning the Okinawans is they really eat an enormous quantity of bitter, spicy inexperienced leaves and spices. In truth, in Japan, they’re referred to as the spice eaters. So there’s nothing of their weight-reduction plan that helps the concept beans and rice is what makes them nice. It’s a candy potato. Sorry about that. The different factor that’s distinctive about Okinawa, actually, as I discuss within the e-book, the Okinawans can’t develop rice as a result of their local weather doesn’t assist rice rising. So, oh effectively.
Now perhaps essentially the most spectacular factual information comes out of Sardinia. So Sardinia is an Italian island. It’s principally obtained two populations, bunch of people that reside down by the ocean, they’re fishermen, and a bunch of people that reside up within the mountains, and so they’re goat and sheep herders. The solely individuals who have longevity reside within the mountains. The individuals who reside down by the ocean don’t have longevity, attention-grabbing sufficient. Uh, yeah. And the individuals who reside within the mountains, what makes them have extra longevity is definitely the lads reside so long as the ladies. Now, most individuals know that males on the whole reside about seven years shorter lives than girls. You guys are the stronger intercourse, we obtained to confess it. But in that island, the lads really exceed the ladies’s longevity. Why is that? Well, about 95% of the lads smoke, and solely about 25% of the ladies smoke. And we see this repeated in a number of different Blue Zones, like Ikaria, Greece, like at Ciroli within the south of Italy. The males are people who smoke, and the ladies aren’t a lot. And it’s really the nicotine in smoke that is among the greatest mitochondrial and couplers, longevity brokers recognized to mankind. Now, I don’t smoke. I don’t suggest smoking. The drawback with nicotine, it’s addictive. But it’s actually nice for longevity. And actually, all of those longevity compounds that everyone’s speaking about, nicotinamide, riboside, NMN, niacinamide, nicotinic acid, that’s a cousin of nicotine and that’s really why they reside a lot longer. Sorry about that Dan.
Now the opposite factor that’s attention-grabbing, they’re sheep and goat herders. So daily they’re consuming sheep and goat yogurt, sheep and goat cheeses, and as I’ve talked about in my final two books, these cheeses have two health-promoting properties. Number one, they’re loaded with medium-chain triglycerides. A 3rd of the fats in cheese and goat milk and cheeses are MCTs. Secondly, they’ve these compounds that I write about referred to as polyamines, which as soon as once more are extremely lifespan-promoting compound. So, a lot for the primary grain and bean concept there.
Well, let’s discuss a spot that does eat grains and beans, the Nicoya Peninsula of Costa Rica. Now, all of Costa Rica eat beans and eat corn, and that’s their state. And the Nicoya Peninsula does eat beans and corn. But what’s distinctive about this little half is that they’re sheep and goat herders, and so they eat lots of sheep and goat cheese and goat yogurt, not like every other a part of Costa Rica. And there’s a very attention-grabbing paper that I reference that the individuals in that area credit score the goat and sheep with their longevity, and so they suppose that the beans and corn are a unfavourable side to their weight-reduction plan that they must tolerate only for energy. Oh effectively, and we may go on and on.
Katie: Well, that’s actually a far cry from the US the place these issues are simply tolerated for energy and easily getting sufficient energy to exist. That’s an enormous distinction than the breakdown of nutritionally what most individuals eat, actually within the US. That is completely fascinating to me that you simply mentioned smoking would possibly really be a consider longevity for these individuals as a result of I’ve seen a few of this information as effectively about nicotine itself, particularly if we will isolate it from smoking and the dangerous components that include that. Would you say there could be a time and a spot for nicotine consumption that’s not from smoking for longevity perspective?
Dr. Gundry: Well, once more, I believe my buddy Dave Asprey makes use of nicotine drops on a regular basis. He argues, maybe accurately, that each one nice concepts happened in a restaurant with smoking cigarettes and consuming espresso and having a glass of wine. And he may not be far off. But curiously sufficient, an island in Papua New Guinea, the Katawans, the Katawans smoke like fiends. They have by no means been recognized to have most cancers. There has by no means been a case of a stroke or coronary heart assault in these individuals. And they eat a weight-reduction plan with lots of tubers. They do eat lots of coconut. But right here’s one other instance the place the smoking doesn’t appear to have the unfavourable influence that we discover.
And I’m going into the e-book, and I’ve talked about it earlier than, one of many issues that most likely will get these individuals away with the unhealthy results of smoking: Smoking causes oxidative stress, and oxidative stress makes use of up a vital antioxidant referred to as vitamin C. And we’re one of many few animals that don’t make our personal vitamin C. We must ingest it. Vitamin C is important for knitting collagen again collectively. Collagen breaks on a regular basis, and people who smoke have extra wrinkles as a result of their collagen has damaged as a result of the harm of daylight and so they don’t have any vitamin C to place it again collectively, curiously sufficient. Same manner people who smoke have very distinct patterns of coronary artery illness that may be prevented by vitamin C. So I believe the people who smoke in these long-lived areas have a weight-reduction plan that’s extremely wealthy in antioxidants in vitamin C. And there’s a really well-known examine in rats. There’s 5 genes that make enzymes that take glucose and convert it into vitamin C. So there’s 5 enzymatic steps. We have 4 of these genes, however the fifth gene known as a ghost gene. It doesn’t work. And that’s why we don’t make vitamin C. If you are taking rats and provides them the human gene sequence, rats make vitamin C, these rats will solely reside half so long as a traditional rat. But if you happen to put vitamin C of their consuming water, in order that they’re consuming vitamin C all day, they’ll equal how lengthy a rat would usually reside, supplying you with an concept of simply how vital sort of a steady provide of vitamin C is.
Katie: Wow, that’s fascinating as effectively. I’d love to listen to out of your perspective what the information really says in what our key takeaways needs to be in terms of Blue Zones. It seems like actually not grain and bean consumption in excessive quantities, doubtlessly root greens and tubers having the next place, particularly ones which can be wealthy in issues like polyphenols are like brightly coloured. I’d guess additionally issues like although they drink wine in lots of of those locations, wine could also be not needed for longevity by any means.
And I do know individuals additionally discuss components like usually they transfer extra, like individuals like goat and sheep herders most likely get rather more motion than the common American. It looks like they usually have nice group and/or areas with good mineral, extra minerals within the soil or the consuming water. But what out of your perspective are the important thing takeaways that we will really be taught once we have a look at the information with an correct lens that we will all be taught from?
Dr. Gundry: Well, I believe you’ve hit on lots of them. Most of those reside in hilly areas. Loma Linda, the place I used to be professor for a lot of my profession, which is the one Blue Zone within the United States. Loma Linda means lovely hill, curiously sufficient. And Loma Linda, the Adventist group, has the longevity. The remainder of Loma Linda doesn’t, curiously sufficient. One factor I would add, in Okinawa, the entire medical information, start certificates have been destroyed throughout the warfare. And one of many theories of why Okinawans have been so long-lived is that when individuals have been requested how previous they have been, they made wild guesses, and there’s really no information. The different factor, notably in Europe, is that pensions are based mostly on dwelling individuals, and lots of occasions, you want that pension to outlive, and so that you don’t declare deaths of people that have really died, so that you simply preserve getting their pension. So, there’s all kinds of different issues.
I would add, one of many issues that shocked me after I was doing the analysis for Gut Check, is that folks with the longest lifespan of any nation on this planet is a bit of tiny nation between France and Spain referred to as Andorra. And it’s solely 150,000 inhabitants. And it’s manner up within the Pyrenees Mountains. And the Andorrans have a really, so they really have a lifespan of about 90 years, each women and men. Pretty good. The Andorrans are sheepherders, and so they eat sheep cheese and sheep yogurts, and so they eat sausages daily. And you go, effectively, wait a minute, that looks like, wait a minute, cheese and sausage is the important thing to longevity? Well, as I suggest in Gut Check, sure. It seems that sausages, historically ready sausages, have polyamines and the actually nasty sugar molecule in beef, lamb, and pork, and milk referred to as NU5GC, is eaten by the micro organism throughout fermentation of sausages. So that explains why you may sort of have your cake and eat it too. So you may have cheese and sausages like charcuterie and perhaps reside a very very long time.
Katie: That’s actually thrilling as effectively, as a result of actually you additionally hear them say, you realize, in these areas they don’t eat meat, they don’t eat animal merchandise, and it looks like that can also be some cherry-picking of knowledge and never an correct illustration. And particularly, I do know it’s tougher to seek out within the US, however it looks like there could be one thing to including extra sheep and goat dairy merchandise to our weight-reduction plan, which actually are very minimal in American weight-reduction plan consumption from my understanding.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, I imply, fortunately, we’re starting to see like plain goat yogurt. It’s a Trader Joe’s. There are sheep yogurt merchandise now. Uh, it’s, in a manner, straightforward to seek out, uh, sheep cheeses, Manchego. You can get at Costco or Trader Joe’s. You can discover pecorino cheese, which is a sheep cheese. Goat cheeses are a bit of tougher to seek out, however even Trader Joe’s has goat brie. Several corporations are actually making goat mozzarella, goat cheddar. So individuals ought to search for these. They will make a distinction.
Katie: That’s nice to know. I’m curious if you happen to noticed any information, and perhaps not, that is only a analysis subject for me proper now of mineral consumption in these areas or if their surroundings naturally has extra of the minerals that we’re not getting in our weight-reduction plan, particularly if we’re consuming processed meals.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, one of many issues that I do lots of YouTube movies about this, our soil is so depleted right here within the United States of minerals. In truth, there’s a Senate doc from 1939 that I’ve written about in earlier books that principally says, our soil is so depleted, this was 1939, that we must eat constantly and nonetheless couldn’t make up for the dearth of minerals in our weight-reduction plan, consuming constantly.
The different factor that’s occurred in our soil, is glyphosate is an antibiotic, and it’s killed off the microbiome of the soil. And the microbiome of the soil was really chargeable for taking these natural compounds and minerals and placing them into the soil, primary, after which aiding the basis system of the plant to take up these minerals into the plant. So, you realize, corn could seem like corn now, however it bears no relationship to what corn was 50 years in the past. A bit of broccoli could seem like broccoli now, however it actually has a 3rd of the minerals of fifty years in the past. So yeah, we’re profoundly mineral-depleted. And fortunately, these Blue Zones, or these long-lived those that aren’t, quote, official Blue Zones, they reside in distant areas, glyphosate has by no means come close to them. They farm the land or decide the land. They’re consuming greens and leaves which can be rising in eight toes of loam soil. And in order that they’re getting these vitamins which have lengthy been lacking in our weight-reduction plan.
Katie: Well, and based mostly on that statistic of we’d must eat constantly and we nonetheless wouldn’t get sufficient minerals, it looks like there’s two keys there to focus on. One is, in fact, avoiding glyphosate nevertheless attainable. And the second, it might appear to be that is additionally a theme in podcast visitors that I’ve had is we’re just about at a degree within the fashionable world the place we do must complement with sure issues to achieve these minimal quantities. Like, sadly, we’re not at a degree the place we will get all the things from meals, even when, such as you mentioned, we ate all day lengthy.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, and one of many theories that’s really come out of animal research is that animals, in the event that they’re disadvantaged of a selected nutrient, will constantly eat of what’s obtainable to them to get to this vital nutrient quantity of their physique. Things that they might by no means contemplate consuming or an animal that doesn’t eat lots of carbohydrates, however the carbohydrate that’s supplied within the weight-reduction plan has these important minerals, the animal will go and eat these items till it will get what it’s in search of. I imply, I at all times observe my canine within the spring. They’re consuming younger shoots of grass. And I’m going, yeah, that’s attention-grabbing. What are you guys doing that for? They’re not throwing up. They’re in search of younger shoots of grass. Well, and that’s the place all the latest little bits of polyphenols and minerals are coming from. Dogs are fairly sensible, too.
Katie: I believe that highlights one thing actually vital as a result of I’ve questioned this for a very long time. We hear usually that Americans particularly are overfed and undernourished. Just a few years in the past, I switched from enthusiastic about energy and macros in any respect and checked out nutrient density in meals, particularly micronutrients. I consciously began upping my mineral consumption, and I observed that I used to be far much less hungry and that my physique appeared to be rather more in tune with what it wished to eat. I’ve questioned if many of those issues we’re having within the US, in fact, are multifaceted, however it’s as a result of we’re so poor in a few of these micronutrients that our our bodies are craving additional meals like canine would to attempt to hit these minimums for survival and if we may really profit ourselves by being much more acutely aware in our mineral consumption and our nutrient consumption.
Dr. Gundry: Yeah, completely. One of the research that I alluded to in earlier e-book was they took some, effectively, let me preface that. We know that our microbiome determines lots of what we’re in search of when it comes to energy and the kinds of energy we’re in search of. And one of many themes of the e-book, Gut Check, is we’ve primary, starved our microbiome as a result of we don’t eat any soluble fiber. And we’ve, you realize, genocided our microbiome as a result of we actively eat glyphosate, we actively eat antibiotics, nearly all of the meats that we eat are loaded with antibiotics, a brand new examine out two weeks in the past confirmed that each one quick meals meals have antibiotics in them. And glyphosate.
So if you happen to take regular volunteers in China and put them on a two-week water-only quick, and half the group will get 100 energy of prebiotic fiber, indigestible by us, however the meals for the intestine microbiome. The group that obtained the prebiotic fiber on a water quick had completely no starvation for 2 weeks. The group that simply obtained water have been actually hungry for a couple of week earlier than they adjusted. And I believe that confirms that principally the microbiome was being fed, then sends textual content messages, these are literally postbiotics, to the mind saying, hey! We’re good down right here. You’ve achieved your job. We’re glad. Don’t must go search for anything. Thanks very a lot. Let’s have day. And I believe that actually does converse to the ability that we used to have in a wholesome microbiome that we fed what they wanted, like a tuber as an example, nice supply of prebiotic fiber, and we didn’t attempt to kill our microbiome daily with what we ate.
Katie: Wow, that’s positively a hanging instance. And I’d love to listen to in our previous couple of minutes, really, what your personal every day habits and weight-reduction plan and foundational issues that you simply do daily, your non-negotiables, your private 80-20 since you are nonetheless a really prolific author. You talked about you’re nonetheless seeing sufferers. You appear to have this enormous quantity of inside vitality and drive to enhance the world. So I’d love to listen to what your private life seems to be like for a minute and what your every day non-negotiables are.
Dr. Gundry: Well, let’s see. Daily non-negotiable is I’ve to take our canine for a two-mile stroll, hike within the hills. That’s non-negotiable in accordance with the canine. Then I don’t eat breakfast for essentially the most half. During the winter months from January by means of June, I don’t eat lunch both. I eat all my energy in a couple of two-hour window from 5 to seven at evening. Do I’ve to try this? No. I’ve been doing it now, I believe, for 25 years, so it appears to be working. During the summer time, I sort of again off from that.
There’s fairly good proof, and I talked about it in Gut Check, and I’ve up to now, that most likely if you happen to actually wished to make peace along with your intestine and promote longevity, a six-hour consuming window, might be optimum. So meaning an 18-hour fasting window. One of the issues I’m going over and over and over in Gut Check is you need to have downtime to your intestine wall to restore itself. It can’t consistently be concerned in digestion and absorption of meals. It has to have restore. And you’ll do that to a automobile, you’ll do that to an airplane engine. The concept, the common American eats 16 hours a day from the second we rise up to actually earlier than we go to mattress. And so there may be nearly no restore time for our intestine. And whereas there are lots of superb causes to do time-restricted consuming, intermittent fasting, I believe one of many causes that’s missed by so many individuals is the necessity for restore of the wall of the intestine.
Years in the past, taking a look at, there’s a worm mannequin of longevity. The worm is C. elegans. And the worm mannequin of longevity, this mannequin has labored for each longevity selling polyphenol drug, et cetera, we at all times begin with this worm mannequin as a result of no matter works within the worm mannequin at all times works in increased organisms. So one of many fascinating issues is the worm begins to die. As the wall of its intestine, and it has a bit of tiny digestive system, however the wall of its intestine is just one cell thick like ours. And as gaps seem within the wall of that worm’s intestine, the worm begins to die. The extra that wall will get destroyed, the quicker the worm dies. And that has had, and Hippocrates mentioned it 2,500 years in the past, all illness begins within the intestine, and all illness begins in a leaky intestine. So the actually intestine examine is all of us want a intestine examine to advertise the integrity of the wall of artwork. And all of the methods of how to try this that I’ve realized now in 25 years of working with my sufferers is in that e-book. And in order that’s what I do. I take lots of dietary supplements. I’m a man who a very long time in the past mentioned dietary supplements make costly urine. They don’t. You’re proper, our meals, our soil is so depleted that you simply simply can’t sustain with what we needs to be getting in our weight-reduction plan with out supplementing.
Katie: And I do know you talked about that statistic, which appears so staggering to me as effectively, that folks eat a mean of it in a 16-hour window within the US. And I believe I additionally learn that the common, we predict we simply eat three meals a day, however out of your intestine’s perspective, any time energy enter the physique and must be dealt with, that’s an consuming occasion. And I believe the latest one I noticed was it was one thing like 17 occasions a day, one thing is getting into your physique that your intestine has to take care of. So it’s really such as you mentioned, we’re not getting any intestine relaxation. We’re bombarding our guts, usually with issues which can be harming it, actually not usually with issues which can be serving to it. So perhaps a few of these shifts like specializing in these nutrient-density, including in some sheep and goat cheeses. I do know you will have dietary supplements that assist with the restoration course of you probably have leaky intestine. And I do know you go tremendous deep on this subject in Gut Check on easy methods to actually resolve the issues at a intestine degree. But it looks like these easy methods usually get neglected as a result of they’re easy, and I see that sample time and again. But the nice information is that our our bodies, once we can do these easy issues, know easy methods to heal and so they wish to, and they’re going to. And so I really like that you simply give individuals their energy again by making that so accessible on this e-book and really in all your books, which I’ll ensure that are linked within the present notes. But Dr. Gundry, I at all times be taught a lot from you. It is at all times an absolute pleasure to get to speak to you, and I’m so grateful to your time. Thank you for being right here immediately.
Dr. Gundry: Well, Wellness Mama sustain the great work.
Katie: Well, thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening and sharing your Most worthy assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us immediately. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the Wellness Mama podcast.
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