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Katie: Hello and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from WellnessMama.com. And this episode is all a few purposeful drugs tackle intestine well being, thyroid well being, and decreasing autoimmunity with Dr. Amy Myers. And we go in numerous instructions on this podcast. She is a two-time bestselling writer and internationally acclaimed medical and purposeful drugs doctor who makes a speciality of empowering these with autoimmune, thyroid and digestive points to take again their well being and reverse their situation. And she additionally did two and a half years with the Peace Corps in Paraguay.
And she set off on a journey that will lead her to later launch her now well-known purposeful drugs clinic and her instructional content material and line of packages that yow will discover on-line. And we go deep about numerous her specialty on this, together with her personal drastic story with typical drugs and why she feels it failed her and the way she’s vowed to assist it not fail individuals sooner or later. We discuss concerning the frequent triggers and causes within the rise of continual illness, why she defines autoimmunity as a spectrum and the commonalities amongst them, methods to know the place you might be on the spectrum. She talks concerning the 5 components that may contribute, that are toxins, infections, intestine points, food regimen and stress, why three quarters of the triggers and causes will not be genetic and are inside our management to vary.
We discuss concerning the energy of the thoughts and the way a lot our inside voice pertains to well being, and she or he shares in all probability essentially the most profound instance of this I’ve heard. She talks about her 4 pillars of purposeful well being, methods to deal with and take away toxins within the physique, how our intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours to allow them to really restore in a short time, why we’d like a variety of meals for intestine range, together with issues like greens, spices, and herbs, and when to keep away from fermented meals, methods to know which plant meals are finest in your particular genes and ancestral wants, how seasonal consuming may help with intestine well being, and methods to apply the 80/20 precept to optimum dwelling. So let’s leap in with Dr. Amy Myers. Dr. Amy, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.
Dr Amy Myers: Thank you for having me, Katie. I’m tremendous excited.
Katie: Me too, I really feel like this dialog is lengthy overdue and I’m extraordinarily excited to study from you at present. I feel to start out off broad, some background on you would possibly really be essentially the most useful start line for this dialog since you’ve mentioned that typical drugs failed you and also you’re on a mission to maintain it from failing different individuals. And I feel your story illustrates a extremely profound purpose why you do the work that you just do. So let’s begin there. How did you get into this, what’s now your entire world and this work that you just do?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, effectively, it’s a really lengthy story, however to make it brief, I grew up with dad and mom that have been very holistic. My father was a professor of Asian research. My mom taught yoga and jogged again within the 70s. And so if we have been ever sick, which was very hardly ever, he took Chinese herbs. My mom was very accustomed to the microbiome, made do-it-yourself yogurt after we have been little, do-it-yourself entire wheat bread. So I type of grew up with this. My mom taught yoga, meditation, despatched me to Transcendental Meditation after I was in highschool. So I type of grew up in a, I wouldn’t classify them as hippies, however simply type of, you recognize, that form of world.
And I went to varsity, thought I used to be gonna be a psychologist on the finish, determined that I wasn’t gonna try this and have become a banker of all issues. And then learn a ebook known as, The Road Less Traveled, it actually resonated with me about type of going on the market and never doing what everyone else is doing. And for no matter purpose, I all the time had a ardour to offer and to assist. And so I joined the Peace Corps really after I was 25. And on my means all the way down to the Peace Corps, I learn a ebook by Andrew Weil, Spontaneous Healing, and it received me reinvigorated by way of pure therapeutic, herbs, issues like that. Taught myself yoga down within the Peace Corps.
Long story brief, got here again and determined I needed to be a physician. I really moved out to Seattle to go to doubtlessly naturopathic medical college. And after working with some medical doctors there, realized that even in Seattle, the traditional medical doctors and the naturopathic medical doctors have been getting paid in another way and simply considered in another way. And I believed, effectively, that is form of odd as a result of I’m out within the place the place they’ve this college they usually’re presupposed to be actually revered. And so anyway, I made the choice to go to allopathic medical college, however with the concept that I’d find yourself doing one thing holistic, pure on the finish of all of it. So I took all my electives of an integrative drugs. I began a complimentary and different curiosity group. We even began a program on the college. I went to LSU in New Orleans.
And my second yr of medical college, I began getting panic assaults. I used to be losing a few pounds quickly whereas consuming, you recognize, Ezekiel bread and vegan butter at evening, to not get up, two kilos thinner. And lastly had this tremor that despatched me to the physician and she or he brushed me off and mentioned, oh, that is medical college stress. Your second yr, you’re studying all these ailments and also you simply assume you may have all of them. And I mentioned, wait a minute. I imply, I actually lived in the midst of nowhere earlier than cell telephones or something within the Peace Corps. My mom had died unexpectedly of pancreatic most cancers in 4 months proper after I received again from the Peace Corps. It’s like, I don’t deal with stress like this. This will not be stress, one thing’s mistaken with me.
So I demanded a workup and she or he known as me again a few weeks later and I don’t assume she actually apologized and she or he mentioned, oh, you may have Graves’ illness, which is an autoimmune dysfunction of your thyroid. And that was what was responsible for all of my signs, the insomnia, the load loss, the entire tremor, every thing. And so I used to be given three horrible decisions. One was to have my thyroid blown up like Hiroshima. The different was to take actually poisonous medicine. And the opposite one was to have my thyroid reduce out.
So I went again to my roots and I did Chinese drugs for a few months and I didn’t actually see a distinction in that. Meanwhile, I used to be consuming a number of gluten and vegan cheeses. I used to be a vegetarian and on and off vegan for 27 years. And then finally I succumbed and I mentioned, all proper, I’ll take the medicine. It appears to be the lesser of all of those evils. Within a few weeks, I used to be feeling horrible. My pores and skin was dry, my hair was falling out, I used to be fatigued. Went again to the physician and I used to be informed that I used to be one in 1,000,000 and I had poisonous hepatitis from the medication. So I rapidly needed to get off of that. I almost needed to drop out of medical college as a result of I needed to go get in mattress and my liver was destroying itself from this medicine, and principally had to determine was I then gonna have my thyroid blown up or have it ripped out surgically.
I reached out to Andrew Weil, I seemed in all of the analysis, I may discover nothing that gave me an alternate or pure strategy to this. So I made the toughest determination of my life and I had my thyroid radioactively ablated.
And after that, I used to be nonetheless in medical college. I graduated, I grew to become an ER doctor at Shock Trauma in Maryland, after which finally an ER doctor right here in Austin, Texas. And… One day I simply mentioned, I’ve received to get again to my roots. I imply, although they, typical drugs, handled my graves by blowing up my thyroid, and now I don’t have a thyroid, there’s gotta be one thing higher. I’ve gotta get again to. I went to medical college within the first place.
So I went to a convention about purposeful drugs, which is admittedly attending to the basis of why you may have sure situations, notably autoimmunity and determining methods to right imbalances at that route and finally hopefully reversing or therapeutic, no matter’s occurring with you. So that basically resonated with me and why I needed to go to medical college to start with. And so I dove straight in and ultimately opened up a world famend purposeful drugs clinic.
I left the ER, wrote a number of books, that are behind me and, and, you recognize, went full power into purposeful drugs and now helped actually a whole bunch of hundreds of individuals all over the world, however actually hundreds of individuals with Graves illness reverse their situation and never need to do what I did. So that’s why I say it’s my typical drugs failed me and is my mission to not have it fail you too. So that was a little bit of a protracted story, however that’s how I received to changing into a purposeful drugs doctor after which finally now proudly owning a well being and wellness firm. As you recognize, Amy Myers MD.
Katie: Oh, and there’s so many particular instructions I wish to go on this, as a result of I do know there are a lot of individuals listening who’ve some type of auto-immunity or thyroid points. There are undoubtedly individuals going by way of intestine points. And I additionally know that there are in all probability some frequent themes that run all through numerous these issues. So I’d love to speak first about what you see as a few of the massive triggers or contributors to the rise throughout the board in numerous these issues that we’re seeing actually in America, however in different components of the world as effectively.
Dr Amy Myers: So by way of all continual situations and autoimmunity, so I write about in my first ebook, the autoimmune resolution, I used to be the person who coined the phrase, the autoimmune spectrum. So by that’s, you may have somebody down right here with little to no irritation, and you then’re working your means up increased on the spectrum with extra irritation all the best way to full blown continual autoimmunity.
Now there are in all probability only a few individuals have completely no irritation as we all know, infants are being born with toxins and whatnot on the earth, however most of us sit someplace on this spectrum all the best way as much as continual illness or continual autoimmunity. And there are 5 components that I write about in each of my books, and that’s toxins, infections, our intestine, leaky intestine, meals, since our food regimen, and stress. And so I can stroll by way of every of those and the way they’ve actually all of those areas have exploded for many people. We know that there are extra toxins on the earth than there’ve ever been, proper? We know that now taking a look at research with twine blood that there are a lot of, many toxins already in utero when a child is born. So, and people toxins are rising day by day. And in order for you, we will get into why that’s.
We are, you recognize, numerous youngsters are already being, infants are being born with leaky guts. More youngsters are being born with C-sections. More mothers are getting antibiotics, you recognize, when in utero and getting these toxins, consuming a food regimen that’s inflammatory. So infants are already being born with, you recognize, little intestine microbiome or a disturbed microbiome with C-sections and simply, you recognize, how we’re going by way of the world.
Our food regimen, we, you recognize, processed meals. We have been simply at a giant water park yesterday and searching round, I imply, the variety of those who I noticed that have been simply in weight. And I imply, I’m not even speaking wanting match was only a few. So we’re already, you recognize, we’re many, many individuals in our society now are simply consuming very inflammatory diets with these overly processed meals. As you recognize, the wheat has been modified. And so there’s extra gluten in our wheat. There’s roundup in our meals. And so we’re already having inflammatory meals. Leaky guys have been having extra toxins.
We’re dwelling in a wired world. We have EMFs bombarding as we’ve got our cell telephones on always have been out there. The stressors going through us every single day of simply elevated as effectively. And then infections an increasing number of infections, proper? I imply, we noticed, you recognize, with the pandemic with Covid. I imply, we’ve got these Infections, whether or not they’re viruses, the Parasites, their micro organism, they’re changing into tremendous bugs, they’re changing into reactivated, they’re changing into, you recognize, they’re dwelling inside ourselves and probably getting reactivated over time. How many individuals are you aware which have had COVID a number of instances? So what’s that doing to our immune techniques?
And actually, I hope on this dialog, we’ll get into the options as a result of I’d by no means wish to, inform individuals massive, scary ideas and that, and simply to get them overwhelmed as a result of I’m actually a options oriented particular person.
But these are the issues that I see which can be actually contributing to autoimmunity and simply continual irritation that’s resulting in, weight problems that’s resulting in… dysregulation of our metabolism that’s resulting in diabetes, you recognize, all of those very continual and albeit preventable ailments that we’ve got now.
Katie: Yeah, such as you, I feel this can be a very multifaceted downside. And I like that you just take a multifaceted strategy as a result of I’ve seen many individuals wanna concentrate on simply a type of areas. And actually if it have been simply food regimen, I have a look at the information and say like, our diets really haven’t modified sufficient to justify the rise in weight problems, even alone or diabetes. There’s clearly many components contributing, but additionally I do know, and I do know you converse to this loads as effectively. Like you mentioned, there are a lot of options and there nonetheless is capability to reside optimally when you may have the information to do this.
I additionally really feel such as you have been forward of the development, you and your dad and mom with the meditation facet, you talked about stress being a giant issue. And not that that’s by any means a cure-all, however I’d say the overwhelming majority of people that come on this podcast even talked about meditation as being a extremely helpful software. And we all know that like psychological well being and mindset additionally impacts our bodily physique and the analysis appears to simply enhance on that. I’d guess many individuals can also resonate with even your story of getting to demand a workup out of your physician. I hear from so many mothers and ladies who know one thing’s mistaken and are dismissed. I had the identical expertise being informed every thing’s nice, your thyroid is regular and having to demand very particular exams to even get a solution.
And then from there to determine options largely alone, as a result of I didn’t have a you shut by in my early phases that would assist me get there extra rapidly. So I like that we now have a lot extra data and other people such as you who’re serving to individuals get particular focused data. I’d like to go slightly deeper past, I like for example, that you just outline autoimmunity as a spectrum. I feel that’s a extremely useful software versus a easy sure or no, do or don’t form of reply.
But then inside that, there are such a lot of classes of autoimmunity. So are there frequent causes that may form of present up within the physique in another way primarily based on genetics for example, or do issues appear to line up with like particular triggers creating extra particular forms of autoimmunity?
Dr Amy Myers: This is a superb query. I imply, the analysis reveals that, you recognize, actually solely 20% is genetic primarily based. I imply, again within the day, we thought as all of us, I’m positive you’ve talked many instances in your podcast about epigenetics. You had this gene, you bought this illness. We now know that these genes may be turned on and off, and these SNPs. And we all know that folks, even with out the genes for Celiac, can really get Celiac. So it’s not all concerning the genes. In truth, about 75% of it’s these environmental components that I simply talked about. And in order that’s really essentially the most empowering a part of all of this, is that’s in your management.
And that’s actually what I discuss in all of my books is about, as an alternative of getting laden by all of this data, take into consideration that, two thirds or three fourths of it’s in your management and issues that you are able to do to vary, which is how we’re capable of reverse autoimmunity.
So again to the autoimmune, I imply, I may see three individuals with, let’s simply say Hashimoto’s or Graves. And the explanation that these three individuals have that very same illness could possibly be for vastly completely different causes. One may actually simply have a gluten sensitivity and leaky intestine and we get them off gluten, heal their intestine and their antibodies are reversing for Hashimoto’s.
The different could possibly be that they’re in a, very aggravating relationship and a horrible job and stress is their greatest set off they usually even have a gluten sensitivity. And then the third particular person may have all 5 of them. I imply, I do know that all through my lifetime and issues have come and gone, I undoubtedly had all 5. And by the point I used to be seeing individuals with seven, eight autoimmune situations, after all they often had all 5.
But in typical drugs, as we’re taught to listen to a illness, identify the illness, give a drug, we’re not even thought to ask about what’s occurring or search for the deeper root trigger. But even when we have been, I’m positive they’d be saying, oh, effectively, it’s Hashimoto’s and these are your solely causes. And it’s merely not true. I imply, I noticed it day in and day trip in my clinic of simply, how persons are coming.
Now, I’d say primarily based on the literature and the analysis of Alessio Fasano, given gluten and autoimmunity and the speculation behind molecular mimicry, and in case your listeners don’t know what that’s, I’m pleased to enter it, I do advocate that everyone who’s on the spectrum has antibodies or has really been recognized with autoimmunity get off of gluten due to these cross-reactivity on this molecular mimicry. It’s so very robust, notably with thyroid situations or autoimmune thyroid situations. So that’s why I did point out gluten in every of these examples as a result of the correlation is so excessive that I do advocate everyone who has autoimmunity be off of gluten.
Katie: That is sensible. And actually like my dad and mom, for example, have observed that change themselves as they’ve gotten older they usually benefited from going off gluten. Though I do hear from lots of people that discover in sure different locations on the earth, they really appear to do exactly nice with sure meals that they can not eat within the U.S. And I’m curious if you happen to’ve had expertise with that and if you recognize any of the explanation why is the meals provide that completely different somewhere else in comparison with the U.S.?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, so I too have heard that and I’ve traveled to Europe however due to my historical past and what I do know, I don’t tempt destiny and I don’t eat gluten after I’m in a foreign country. I actually heard that point and time once more from sufferers in my clinic that they did that. But I additionally had a lady who was recognized with polymyositis and she or he was doing very effectively. And then she went to Europe and she or he ate a bunch of gluten and didn’t really feel prefer it affected her however then she got here again and had a really massive flare. So in case you are recognized with full-blown autoimmunity, I nonetheless wouldn’t advocate that you just try this. However, the speculation behind that is that they’ve a lot, let’s simply take Europe for instance, a lot stricter legal guidelines about utilizing Roundup, about genetically modifying their meals. They’re utilizing historic grains. They’re not utilizing the identical degree of pesticides. In common, they’re consuming a more healthy food regimen however apparently the wheat is extra of our historic wheat.
And simply to remind your listeners, so what occurred with our wheat is we didn’t modify it. We hybridized it. And after we hybridized it, it meant that this could possibly be develop heartier, it may develop larger nevertheless it additionally had extra gluten in our wheat. And in order that’s actually a part of the issue is, and you then add Roundup on prime of it, which is meant to, you recognize, enhance the permeability of your mind, your intestine, the entire toxins with Roundup disrupt your microbiome, then we actually have this downside, proper? I imply, it’s not, it’s that our wheat has extra gluten in it, it’s that it’s full of Roundup, it’s that we’re dwelling with leaky guts, most of us, after which we’re consuming a lot extra gluten.
So it’s in every thing, not simply bread. It’s from our shampoos to the a lot of the sushi that has crab meat in it isn’t actual crab meat, it’s really a glutinous, you recognize, it’s really all gluten to create this mock crab meat, for instance. So we’re simply getting uncovered on so many alternative ranges and in such a extra intense means than our dad and mom or actually our grandparents or nice grandparents.
Katie: And I’d like to now begin going by way of out of your ethos, the answer targeted type of information and contact factors of a few of these completely different situations. Because like I mentioned, I do know many individuals listening have or are experiencing a few of them.
And I’d say going in a single unrelated tip that I all the time give at first of this dialog is I discovered to shift my, even my speech and the way I discuss to myself from as an alternative of claiming, “I have Hashimoto’s”, I’d say “I am healing from Hashimoto’s” simply because I really feel just like the mindset is a big piece as effectively. But on that notice, I really feel prefer it’s actually useful to have the instruments to know the way we’re going to heal from these numerous issues.
And you’ve talked about intestine well being as a foundational factor to numerous completely different situations. So I’d love to start out there and listen to out of your perspective, what are a few of the key issues that folks want to concentrate on and keep away from relating to intestine well being? And what are a few of the key type of universally useful issues we will do to enhance our intestine well being?
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, if I’ll digress to 1 story that hints to your speaks to your talking to your self and it’s a very highly effective story of a lady in my clinic who had vitiligo and she or he had. She had moved right here from Africa and she or he labored and she or he had been beneath a really abusive excessive scenario and was capable of come into the nation due to that. And then she felt her want to offer again to the individuals of her nation that have been additionally my immigrating into, into the United States was to be an interpreter.
And what I discovered from talking along with her was that she needed to, as an interpreter in a court docket of regulation, you need to say, I this and I that not they, you need to be the particular person to interpret. And so what I noticed after going by way of many visits with this lady and never making numerous progress is that I believed that she was taking over every of these individuals’s tales by saying, I, I this, I that. So she was reliving, although it was their trauma, she was reliving it as if it was her personal trauma. And I steered that she wanted to surrender her profession or her job. She didn’t take that frivolously, however anyway, about six months later, she known as again or emailed me again and mentioned that she lastly did and her vitiligo was beginning to resolve. So it’s simply talking to what you have been saying and the facility of the thoughts of setting your self up for these, setting your physique, getting ready your physique in any respect ranges, getting ready yourselves for therapeutic. And that journey may be very completely different for everybody.
So again to the intestine. Well, let me say that I’ve 4 pillars within the Myers means, which is this system that I got here up with after working with tens of hundreds of sufferers. And the primary one is to do away with gluten, grains and legumes. And I discussed the molecular mimicry with gluten grains. I do know legumes, you’ve in all probability talked about this extensively, can have anti-nutrient properties. They can have lectins in them, issues that may irritate the intestine. I used to be a vegetarian for 27 years. I imply, I had numerous intestine dysbiosis occurring.
And then there are infections resembling Candida, SIBO which can be ate up carbs, even when they’re wholesome carbs as beans and rice and issues like that. So I do advocate that folks give this stuff up, gluten indefinitely, however the grains and legumes, at the very least for days or longer until they begin, heal your intestine after which we will dive into you particularly. There’s a 4 hour program with therapeutic your intestine and we’ll dive into that and the specifics that I take advantage of.
Then we wish to tame the toxins and that’s actually about, look we reside in a poisonous world. So I like to recommend if you’ll be able to, to create an setting at dwelling, at your workplace, wherever you’re spending most time, that filters these. How can we get toxins? Well, we breathe them in, we get them in by way of our pores and skin and we ingest them in. So having HEPA air filters in your house if you happen to can, having water filtration not simply at your faucet but additionally you recognize in your showers, utilizing all-natural toxin-free cleansing merchandise and sweetness merchandise after which you recognize ensuring you’re consuming natural. So did I get by way of pores and skin, breathe, yeah okay.
And you then wish to work to get them out, that’s my two-step course of. So you wish to, how do you get them out? You pee them out, you poop them out, you sweat them out. So you wish to ensure you’re peeing and pooping every single day, you wish to ensure you’re exercising or doing infrared sauna, one thing to sweat every single day if you happen to can. And then you recognize I take advantage of two dietary supplements that after all we’ve got glutathione and coconut charcoal. So acetylated glutathione, you must be sure that it’s acetylated. Some individuals use liposomal, I examined all of them in my clinic. I choose an acetylated glutathione for me personally and what I noticed discovered work finest. And then you recognize in order that pulls the toxins out after which one thing like coconut charcoal goes to bind it. So peeing, pooping, sweating each single day.
Then we wish to relieve our stress. I don’t say, you recognize, do away with your stress or, you recognize, as a result of we reside in a aggravating world and you may’t simply say, okay, I’m not gonna be pressured. You’ve received to search out methods to offer pause. So I’ve relieve stress and heal infections. And relieving stress is admittedly concerning the issues that we talked about. And look, I discovered meditation, you recognize, 30-something years in the past and I don’t all the time try this every single day. So it’s discovering what works for you, proper? I imply, is {that a} stroll for me? I do numerous swimming. It’s the one place, hyperbaric and swimming, it’s the one place no person can hassle me and get to me. So these are massive stress relievers for me, however you must discover what works for you, your downtime.
And then the infections are these continual infections resembling Epstein-Barr, herpes, these latent infections that may reactivate a continual Lyme and coping with these infections. And, you recognize, I can undergo some methods in order for you for these as effectively.
So that’s the 4 pillars. And then again to therapeutic your intestine, which is among the main components of one of many second pillar of the 4 pillar program. And there’s type of the 4R strategy, which I’m positive you’ve had lots of people speaking about. But once more, the very first thing is to take away. And what are you eradicating? It’s again to those meals. You wanna take away gluten, you wanna dairy. Gluten and dairy are the 2 most inflammatory meals, however sugars, processed meals, meals dyes, GMOs, I imply, you wish to get this stuff out of your food regimen.
And most significantly, you wanna take away any infections which can be in your intestine. And that is completely different than these continual infections. This is SIBO, Candida, Parasites. And actually in case you have auto-immunity, very uncommon, I noticed anybody that didn’t have one or each of these. And they’ve now turn into, if you happen to’re on social media, everyone’s speaking about SIBO and Candida. I imply, again after I was, you recognize, you talked about I used to be one of many originals. I imply, I used to be, I imply, again after I was speaking about these things 10-15 years in the past, there weren’t many individuals speaking about this. And I noticed it extensively in my clinic, eliminating SIBO, eliminating Candida. We also can stroll by way of how, you recognize, I’m pleased to share precisely how to do this.
And you then wish to substitute something that’s lacking. So are you low in abdomen acid? Lots of people are, you recognize, they’ve been taking acid blockers. You want that acid to kill off Parasites. You want that acid to kill off SIBO, to kill off Candida. You want that acid, after all, to interrupt down your proteins and the remainder of your meals. Do you want digestive enzymes? Lots of people are low of their digestive enzymes as a result of they’ve been consuming horrible continual diets, or they’ve been on continual PPIs, or different medicines which have, you recognize, prevented their precise, you recognize, their pancreas and their gallbladder from really working. So I changed these issues. Sometimes that’s quickly, typically that’s, you recognize, very long-term, however numerous instances as individuals start to heal, they will get off of those dietary supplements. But in my expertise, it’s, it’s, you recognize, it may be, you recognize, intensive on the, you recognize, complement and dietary way of life change at first. And then, you recognize, as you progress down the spectrum, you possibly can see the place you possibly can unencumber.
You wish to… you wish to re-inoculate with prime quality, excessive dose probiotic. Now, if you happen to’re coping with Candida, I like to recommend we’ve got 100 billion unit probiotic. If you’re coping with SIBO although, I like to recommend a soil-based probiotic as a result of SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth and that may typically be an overgrowth of lactobacillus. And most traditional probiotics or prime quality, no matter, have lactobacillus in them and ours do as a result of it’s the primary micro organism in our intestine. And in order that’s the place I differ on these two.
And then we really wish to, take away, reinoculate, effectively, I assume restore. And I’m doing that typically. Your intestine cells flip over each 24-48 hours. So they’re gonna restore typically on their very own. But I sometimes advocate that folks do one thing to assist this course of jumpstart this course of. And we’ve got a product known as Leaky Gut Revive. It’s really one in every of our primary merchandise. And it’s 3000 milligrams of L-glutamine, which is the amino acid that helps your cells rejuvenate, but additionally what we’ve got within the product is numerous various things that aid you to provide mucus. So if you concentrate on your intestine, what’s it? I imply, it’s a mucus membrane. And lots of people are lacking that mucus or have the mucus degree has been disturbed. So it’s slippery elm, marshmallow root, Deglycyrrhizinated licorice to assist your physique create extra mucus in your complete GI tract.
And so these are the 4 issues that I do to assist restore your intestine well being. And usually the subsequent query is, do I’ve to do this stuff ceaselessly? You know, it actually depends upon the place you’re wanting and the place you might be on that spectrum. And, you recognize, I take Leaky Gut Revive, many, many days of the week. We reside in a poisonous world and I simply, you recognize, to maintain myself in addition to a probiotic and digestive enzyme, so.
Katie: Yeah. So I took so many notes on that. I like additionally that you just discuss that simplification course of that always it’s the taking away of the publicity and it’s not usually that we’ve got to essentially accomplish that many difficult issues as soon as we perceive the issue.
And that I like additionally that you just discuss a lot concerning the physique type of being designed to heal and that it regenerates and that it’s meant to maneuver towards therapeutic if we assist it in doing that. And that story you informed about her inside discuss might be essentially the most profound instance I’ve heard of that. That’s unimaginable.
Also from a intestine well being perspective, I’d love your form of affirm or deny from a physician’s perspective. There’s additionally been on like Instagram and TikTok, numerous circulating discuss how we’d like range in what we do devour to assist form of tradition the best stability of intestine micro organism. So you talked about avoiding the triggers like gluten and dairy and legumes, but additionally it looks like numerous us are consuming form of only a very slender vary of plant meals and that we will profit from a wider vary of greens and crops and spices which have completely different advantages. Do you agree with that evaluation and issues like fermented meals being useful as effectively?
Dr Amy Myers: Yep, so the brief reply is sure, and I’ll get to fermented meals in a second, and if I get off on a tangent, please remind me. But so yeah, I imply, and in addition there’s even, relying on the place your ancestry’s from as to what microbiota is perhaps in several proportions inside your intestine, in your microbiome. So individuals who reside in Asia or descendants of Asia, Africa versus United States, are you largely European? There are ancestrally completely different microbiota, and so there are a lot of exams. I don’t know if you happen to’re related to one like microbiome or Viome or some place else, so in case you have one that you just advocate. Look, they’re all, it’s fairly new analysis, so there’s numerous debate about how correct this stuff are. They may be useful although, however not solely would you like range inside your personal intestine, you wanna just be sure you’re getting the range that’s meant in your ancestral historical past.
And in order that may be very difficult, and understanding that, and so utilizing a few of these exams, I feel that they are often good as a information. And sure, if we’re wanting again to how we ate, our ancestors ate, they didn’t have the, as you recognize, stroll into the grocery retailer or Instacart and have somebody ship your contemporary berries to you all yr spherical. We ate a a lot wider number of a food regimen and we stopped and began numerous issues relying on once they have been in season. And that allowed for range simply inherently since you ate what was out there to you. So sure, I imply, look, all of us, even these of us on this world, proper, the place I imagine I’m, actually we’re busy, we’re creatures of habits, we all know what we like. It’s tremendous simple, you pick meal plans and also you repeat them again and again. But sure, ideally we might all be consuming much more range.
Back to the fermented meals, I imagine that I differ right here than many individuals. And this once more is predicated on my expertise as a clinician working with hundreds of sufferers, which is since most individuals, at the very least that I noticed with auto-immunity have been coming in with SIBO and Candida, I don’t advocate fermented meals proper off the bat. And this was a really, you recognize, paleo fx. I feel that’s the place you and I really met, you recognize, and I spoke there for a lot of, a few years, and I’d all the time have individuals come as much as me afterwards and say, I began consuming all these fermented meals as a result of everyone right here is telling me to do this. And I received all this fuel and all this bloating and I really feel depressing.
Well, fermented meals is supposed to, I like to consider your intestine form of like as a fish bowl. And it’s fish meals to feed all of the fish, that are the nice micro organism and micro organism, I imply, dangerous micro organism. You have good micro organism, dangerous micro organism, slightly little bit of yeast, perhaps some Parasites in your intestine. In a perfect world, it’s dwelling there harmoniously in an ideal stability. When this stuff get out of stability, if you happen to’re feeding in fish meals, then the Candida, the SIBO, they’re gonna eat this up as effectively. So that’s the excellent instance. If you begin to take a prebiotic, you are taking fermented meals and also you’re studying someplace and you are taking that and also you get bloated, you may have fuel, you don’t really feel effectively, it could possibly be that you just took an excessive amount of, however typically, and you must begin off slowly, typically that to me tells me that you’ve Candida or SIBO or each as a result of it’s feeding these infections.
So my advice for my sufferers and what I like to recommend in all of my articles is to carry off on the fermented meals and the prebiotics and all that stuff, do away with these infections. Once you’ve gotten rid of those infections, you’ve gotten your microbiome cleaned out to principally all the good things, then begin including within the fish meals, begin including within the prebiotics, begin including within the fermented meals and assist to flourish and reestablish and hold that microbiome in stability.
Katie: And I do know that it looks like SIBO and Candida are recurring themes. I’m assuming you see these a complete lot in your clinic. Any different suggestions particular to these and or simply signs that folks would possibly… to concentrate to, that will be a sign that that will be factor to see in case you have.
Dr Amy Myers: Yeah, okay. So sure, after writing a thyroid ebook and an autoimmune ebook, the primary factor that folks come to us for is SIBO and Candida. So I’d love to speak about these.
So first, Candida is Candida overgrowth. We all have slightly little bit of Candida, however that is when it will get overgrown. So what are some set off phrases for me? Brain fog. That if I hear mind fog, primary factor that I’m considering, in addition to perhaps gluten sensitivity, is Candida, unexplained rashes, itchy rashes, stuff you’ve gone to the dermatologist, they don’t know once they’re like put a cream on it. That usually is candida. Psoriasis, eczema normally has a candida underline. Of course, in case you have recurrent yeast infections, you may have recurrent dandruff, issues like that, that’s yeast. So, after which, so fuel, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, you possibly can have any of those, however typically it’s these pores and skin points and the mind fog is the primary factor I consider.
How do I take care of candida? You go on a low carb food regimen, a candida authorised food regimen, and also you’re not, in my view, consuming these fermented meals. You’re undoubtedly eliminating sugars and carbs. And then what I take advantage of for my sufferers, we’ve got a candida package and program, so I created two dietary supplements. One, Candefense, and the opposite is Caprylic Acid. Caprylic Acid comes from coconut. It’s the acid within the coconut, so it form of pokes these holes within the E-cell wall. And then the candefense is enzymes that digest the cell wall. And you then re-inoculate with actually good high quality excessive probiotics. We have 100 billion unit probiotic. So that’s my Candida.
SIBO is Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth. And the triggers that I hear there are bloating is admittedly the largest one. I wakened, my abdomen was flat. I ate one meal. I seemed six months pregnant. Rosacea is a giant one for that one. And then the opposite is most individuals consider SIBO as having diarrhea, nevertheless it really may cause constipation in lots of people.
And there’s additionally a SIBO Hashimoto’s connection, as a result of in case you have low thyroid, then your digestion slows down, the meals is left in your intestine longer, after which the micro organism there go in to digest they usually’re simply creating these completely different gasses. And then it’s additionally a 3 step program. The food regimen is similar to the Candida one. In truth, you possibly can principally use the identical and we frequently have individuals who come to us they usually’re treating each on the similar time and I’ll be pleased to deal with how to do this as a result of it’s barely completely different once you’re making an attempt to do each.
So food regimen, you wanna starve the yeast, I imply, starve the SIBO. Then you wanna prune again the SIBO with microbe. We use a herb microbe clear. Now, in case you are seeing a doctor as a result of this has turn into extra widely known and there’s an antibiotic, Zifaxin, which I’ve taken a number of instances. I’ve given it to my sufferers. It’s one of many few antibiotics I prescribe, very particular to the intestine. It does typically work very effectively. However, it’s very costly and most insurance coverage doesn’t cowl it. So that’s why I created the micro clear as a result of I had all these individuals in my clinic that would not afford to pay hundreds of {dollars} for this antibiotic. I imply, some have been so determined. They did, however the herbs work very well. It’s, you recognize, berberine, wormwood, black walnut, a bunch of, herbs that simply type of pr wish to kill all of your good micro organism. Too a lot of factor created a foul scenario, to kill again a few of the you wish to re inoculate you re-inoculate as I acknowledged. So if you happen to wanna deal with each on the similar time, what I like to recommend is it’s primarily the identical food regimen. And then you possibly can take the MicroClear, the Caprylic Acid and the Candefenol all at one time. You can work your means up and we clarify how to do this. And then what you wanna do first is to take the soil-based probiotic and ensure you’ve gotten rid of the SIBO first. And after you have, you’ll then take the billion unit probiotic after that. So it will be like a 30 days as an alternative of and are type of 30 days, you’re doing 60 days of all of this.
Katie: That is sensible.
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And I’m glad that you just introduced up enzymes as effectively, as a result of that was on my record to ask you about. It looks like it’s not even simply what we eat essentially, but additionally how a lot we will digest and take in of what we eat. And it looks like I’m seeing extra in analysis and from individuals I do know such as you, speaking concerning the significance of enzymes, which might actually be useful as we become old, or if we’ve got particular situations particularly. I see that in minerals as recurring themes proper now. It looks like many individuals have struggles in each of these areas. Do you discover these are frequent in your sufferers as effectively?
Dr Amy Myers: Absolutely. So simply to be clear, the enzymes I used to be referring to within the within the candefense are enzymes that break down the yeast cell wall. But I sure, our digestive enzymes are one in every of our prime sellers as a result of so many individuals do have these points of getting been on continual medicines and whatnot. And I all the time mentioned in my clinic, it isn’t the saying the outdated saying that you just all the time heard you might be what you eat. It’s really you might be what you digest and take in. So there have been loads of individuals once more, as a result of they learn the books earlier than they got here or they met me at paleofx they usually have been already coming in consuming these actually good diets. But then I’d do lab testing on them to have a look at their minerals, to have a look at their vitamin ranges, to look intracellularly at what was occurring. And they weren’t getting the good thing about this. So you may be consuming one of the best food regimen on the earth. But if you happen to then can not digest and take in it, in case you have low abdomen acid and also you’re not breaking down the proteins into amino acids, you then’re not absorbing it. If you don’t have what you must break down carbs and fat, you might not be absorbing it.
Or, you recognize, in case you have that after which it will get all the best way all the way down to your small gut and you then’ve received SIBO disrupting it, or you may have leaky intestine and you then’re not absorbing these. So I imply, the intestine, I all the time say is the muse and the gateway to your well being. I imply, in case your intestine will not be functionally on all ranges at an optimum degree, you’re both have already got issues otherwise you’re going to have issues. And that’s the reason as a result of I converse a lot about this, though I’ve written these different books, I feel individuals come to me for intestine as a result of I simply noticed it time and time once more, and individuals who had no digestive points. I imply, individuals who got here in and mentioned, oh, no, no, I’m consuming this nice food regimen. You know, I’ve two bowel actions a day. I don’t have any fuel. I don’t have any bloating. I’m nice.
And then we do a complete stool take a look at. We’d see their digestive enzymes are low. We’d see they’ve vegetable fibers of their stool. We see, you recognize, we see their amino acids are low. And I may see it in all of those purposeful labs, not typical labs, however purposeful labs of how, you recognize, they thought that their intestine was nice. And they have been consuming this unimaginable food regimen, however with out having their pure inherent capability to interrupt down and digest and take in issues, take in their vitamins, they have been then poor in these.
And, you recognize, by way of mineral deficiency, I feel that that’s in all probability twofold. One, our meals may be very completely different than it was for our ancestors. There are many, many research that I do know you’re conscious of, of. You know, our soil will not be as nutrient dense because it was earlier than. So then the crops arising out of the soil do not need the identical degree of vitamins they used to have. And then once more, we’re dwelling on this poisonous world, our guts are leaky. So that’s resulting in mineral and vitamin deficiencies. And it’s frankly why I like to recommend everyone take a multivitamin day by day. I imply, I’ve an article on this about all the explanations everyone ought to be taking a multivitamin due to what we’re simply discussing, the soil, the nutrient degree in our meals, our leaky guts, our incapability to digest and take in.
Katie: Yeah, I’m glad that you just received to clarify that so comprehensively, as a result of I’ve questioned if that is really one other lacking piece due to the depletion of our meals provide and why we’ll see individuals who seem like in actually good well being who may have these random situations that appear to return out of nowhere. And it looks like at the very least a few of them could possibly be linked to mineral deficiencies that folks wouldn’t essentially even concentrate on. So I’m so glad that we received to speak about that.
I’d additionally love to listen to any suggestions that you’ll be able to simply type of typically give to your sufferers or which you can give listed here are type of the 80/20 that transfer us towards optimum or that appear to be comparatively universally useful. One I’ve given on right here again and again, for example, is the significance of pure gentle, which is free. I’ve observed a giant distinction even in my labs from getting morning daylight and slightly little bit of mid day, noon daylight every single day, which is sensible after we contemplate that our our bodies have {an electrical} element and that we’d like gentle for thus many issues to occur inside our physique.
But I’m positive that you’ve a way more complete record. So for anyone who’s making an attempt to maneuver that needle towards optimum, what can be a few of the issues on that record for you?
Dr Amy Myers: So I assume after we have been speaking about toxins, I didn’t end my considered saying that, you mentioned 80-20 and my thoughts simply went to the 80-20 rule. So let me go to toxins after which I’ll discuss food regimen.
Toxins, so we’ve got a house, and I perceive not everyone can have this stuff, however we’ve got a house air filtration system, water filtration system, all of this stuff that I talked about, we solely eat natural in our home. And that’s in order that after I exit into the world, I make one of the best decisions that I can, however I acknowledge that I journey. I’ve a toddler. We, you recognize, I used to be telling you, we have been at a water park yesterday. They mentioned no outdoors meals. We introduced outdoors meals. I imply, we simply defined we’ve got numerous meals sensitivities, proper? So we’re not pressured to eat that meals, however then I’m in very chlorinated water, proper? I imply, I reside a life, but when in your personal setting, you possibly can management what you possibly can management, you then exit into the world and also you do one of the best which you can. But there’s no approach to keep away from this stuff. And so I undoubtedly comply with that as a rule. Like, you recognize, be as strict as you possibly can in your personal dwelling after which go benefit from the world and do one of the best you possibly can once you’re on the market.
Now, relating to food regimen, there are specific facets that I don’t, relating to auto-immunity and the hyperlink with gluten after which the molecular mimicry and the cross-reactivity of gluten with casein, I don’t advocate anyone with auto-immunity eat dairy or gluten. And so for me, these are non-negotiables it doesn’t matter what. If you had a gun to my head, I’d not eat gluten, or dairy, however so these will not be negotiables. But once more, I do assume it goes again to what you have been saying. If you’re consuming natural or in case you have the freedom or as you’ve moved your means down the autoimmune spectrum, it’s to not say I by no means eat sugar, it’s to not say I by no means eat corn, it’s to not say that I don’t ever eat grains or legumes. I’m in Texas, love some black beans and rice, however I do this stuff occasionally to the place that I do know after I’m consuming my leaky intestine revive every single day or, taking my enzymes after I exit, I can do this stuff, proper? I’m effectively, however I’ve gotten hit with poisonous mildew 3 times in my life now. And I’ve moved up that autoimmune spectrum. And then I’ve received to get again to very clearly doing issues, um, in a really deliberate means and being far more cautious than after I’m effectively and might, can return down, down the spectrum.
So I don’t know if that absolutely answered your query or in order for you me to consider another issues which can be free. I imply, stress reduction typically is free. My swimming is free that I do. Hyperbarics might not be, taking part in along with your baby, taking part in along with your pet, going outdoors in pure gentle, sleep. I imply, the one individuals say, how do you do every thing that you just do? Well, it’s solely as a result of I do have a husband that if I must, if there’s one thing taking place with the canines or a daughter will get up in the midst of the evening, I want my sleep. If I don’t get my sleep, I transfer up that spectrum on autoimmunity. So sleep is free. Maybe everyone doesn’t have the identical assist that I’ve, however sleep is a superb free useful resource that enables your physique to heal and permits your physique to detox. And I be certain that to one of the best of my capability that I get a stable eight, if not ten hours of sleep is what I want to actually be optimum in my life.
Katie: Yeah, the just about 700 individuals I’ve had on this podcast, I’m but to listen to a single particular person say sleep will not be vital. It looks like the one universally agreed upon factor. And such as you mentioned, sleep itself is free. There’s tons we will do to optimize sleep, which I are inclined to prioritize even in my price range as a result of we spend hopefully a lot time sleeping that I really feel like adjustments we make there have advantages and sleep makes all these different issues we’re speaking about a lot simpler as a result of your pure physique is ready to like rebuild and heal throughout sleep. So I like that as a common tip, one which undoubtedly can’t be overstated. So I like that you just introduced that up.
And as we transfer towards the tip, a number of questions I like to ask. The first being if there’s a ebook or various books which have profoundly impacted you personally, and in that case, what they’re and why.
Dr Amy Myers: Well, the one which I considered once you, I knew you have been gonna ask me this query was M. Scott Peck’s The Road Less Traveled. I believed I needed to be a scientific psychologist, however I learn that ebook, in highschool, I imagine. And I feel the factor about it for me is my life has been the highway much less traveled. I imply, as you talked about, I used to be actually one of many originals again in purposeful drugs, talking about all of these items. And you need to be courageous to do this. I imply, to be frank, I wrote an article simply actually quoting the CDC about issues you possibly can do in lieu of a flu vaccine and received reported to the medical board. And it was proper earlier than my first ebook was popping out.
I do really feel between the Peace Corps, the Chinese herbs, conventional typical medical college to then going to turn into a purposeful drugs doctor that I’ve actually embodied that in my life and simply encourage individuals to comply with the highway much less traveled. I imply, fortunately for individuals like your self, you may have helped get the phrase out and broaden the message that purposeful drugs and different issues can be found to individuals as an alternative of typical medication. So thanks very a lot for you following the highway much less traveled and getting that out, however letting individuals know that you just don’t have to be afraid to journey this highway much less traveled. And there may be nice profit on the finish of it that doesn’t contain a number of medication and a poor high quality of life. It really includes perhaps merely giving up a pair meals, including in some daylight, therapeutic your intestine. And you possibly can have an unimaginable life pain-free and drug-free.
Katie: I undoubtedly second that ebook advice. And additionally thanks to the work of you and so many others who’ve helped make this message far more out there to everybody on the market. I do know I hear from so many mothers who are actually transferring into the purposeful drugs strategy with their households, which is admittedly encouraging for me to see, as a result of I feel when the mothers begin making the shift, that’s when society actually begins to shift. And I do know you’re a mother as effectively. So I’m actually grateful for the work that you just’ve executed. And lastly, any parting recommendation for the listeners at present that could possibly be associated to every thing we’ve talked about or fully unrelated life recommendation that you’ve discovered useful.
Dr Amy Myers: That is a giant query. But I feel the one factor that’s calling me at this second, and I don’t know if you happen to’ve executed a podcast on hyperbaric, and I’m actually not a hyperbaric skilled, however I can simply converse to if you happen to’ve hit a plateau in your autoimmune journey, and also you’ve been working with a purposeful drugs doctor, and also you’ve adopted the issues that I’ve laid out at present, and also you’re not getting effectively, look into hyperbaric, I’ve seen essentially the most profound, therapeutic from hyperbaric of a lady who was in, I had a plateau with, she was in a wheelchair and it simply known as me and I mentioned, go do 20 periods of hyperbarics and name me again. And she was strolling once more.
I actually received to a plateau in my journey at one level a number of years in the past, modified nothing, solely received into hyperbarics every single day for nearly a yr. All of my autoimmune markers went unfavorable, they’ve remained unfavorable. I then received COVID, thought I used to be getting Long Haul COVID, 5 periods into hyperbaric and it was fully gone. And actually anyone coping with lengthy COVID, I’d extremely advocate hyperbaric.
So, that’s, you recognize, an increasing number of locations are popping up which you can go type of like a sauna and pay for a person session. This will not be a plug and you may delete this, however you recognize, I’ve an Oxy-Health one they usually have a lease to personal, you recognize, scenario in case you are in dire want. And in order that, I don’t know, I used to be simply known as to say that as a result of I really feel prefer it’s one thing that lots of people aren’t speaking about now. And I’ve seen some extremely profound, simply life-changing occasions with hyperbaric if you happen to hit a plateau, or simply as a part of your journey of therapeutic, that’s actually unimaginable.
Katie: Awesome. Well, I do know you’ve talked about a number of of your books and merchandise at present. I’ll be sure that hyperlinks to all of these are within the present notes for you guys. If you’re listening on the go, that’s all at wellnessmama.fm. I do know you even have a ton of instructional sources out there in your website, so I’ll ensure you guys can discover these as effectively. Or after all you possibly can Google her identify and it’ll all come up. Thank you a lot for spending time at present, for attending to go deep on so many of those subjects and for the work that you just’ve executed for now many years, serving to hundreds and hundreds of individuals.
Dr Amy Myers: Well, thanks a lot for having me and serving to me to get the phrase out. And I actually recognize every thing that you just do.
Katie: Thanks as all the time to all of you for listening and sharing your most beneficial sources, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us at present. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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